2016 GS F Product Information & Base Price $85,380 **
10-14-15, 09:25 PM
#61
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10-14-15, 09:25 PM
#62
i am not sure if i understand those who think a loaded gsf for 75k. given a loaded rcf is around that price it would be a wild dream to think a loaded gsf would be the same price. it doesn't make any sense. apple to apple i think it's not hard to see the gs has better materials and design than the m3 so why would it be the same price?
my issue is why lexus puts put a "base" gsf that's so loaded already and with a high base price. that doesn't leave choices for people
the way i put it actually doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive, but the way the pricing is communicated to customers
my issue is why lexus puts put a "base" gsf that's so loaded already and with a high base price. that doesn't leave choices for people
the way i put it actually doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive, but the way the pricing is communicated to customers
10-15-15, 12:01 AM
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i am not sure if i understand those who think a loaded gsf for 75k. given a loaded rcf is around that price it would be a wild dream to think a loaded gsf would be the same price. it doesn't make any sense. apple to apple i think it's not hard to see the gs has better materials and design than the m3 so why would it be the same price?
my issue is why lexus puts put a "base" gsf that's so loaded already and with a high base price. that doesn't leave choices for people
the way i put it actually doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive, but the way the pricing is communicated to customers
my issue is why lexus puts put a "base" gsf that's so loaded already and with a high base price. that doesn't leave choices for people
the way i put it actually doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive, but the way the pricing is communicated to customers
I love the standard GS' interior's design and materials but I cannot agree with you that it is superior to the M3. The jury is still out for me in that regard as I have yet to sit in a GS-F. However, I have sat in several M3s and would be perfectly happy with it. As for the exterior design, I think the M3 has the GS-F beat, hands down.
One has to wonder why Lexus did not give the GS-F a more powerful motor and save the RC-F motor for the IS-F. Perhaps, they knew they could not beat the Germans so they gave us a vehicle that is too weak to be compared to full size performance sedans like the M5, but too expensive to be compared to compact performance sedans like the M3? We will see if that was a good move by Lexus.
Hopefully the IS-F will not be a let down.
10-15-15, 12:10 AM
#64
10-15-15, 12:44 AM
#65
Totally agree.. But the extra doors + Carbon Accents come at a hefty Premium...
Still have to add in $940 Destination bringing it to a minimum MSRP of $85,380
Rumors are the Orange Brembo Calipers & ML Sound System with be available as Extra Options..
Brembo Calipers will launch in Black as Standard..
~ Joe Z
Still have to add in $940 Destination bringing it to a minimum MSRP of $85,380
Rumors are the Orange Brembo Calipers & ML Sound System with be available as Extra Options..
Brembo Calipers will launch in Black as Standard..
~ Joe Z
Yes there was an article either on Club Lexus or Lexus Enthusiasts stating the top engineers were saying they are doing away with naturally aspirated engines and going for turbos in the F models, I'll see if I can dig it up again.
10-15-15, 12:50 AM
#66
In light of the performance figures and the fact that this is Lexus' only performance sedan, I believe people who will be considering this car will naturally shop it against other performance sedans; specifically the M3, ATS-V, C63AMG, and other like cars. As such, I think it's fair for people to assume or think that the GS-F would be similarly priced.
I love the standard GS' interior's design and materials but I cannot agree with you that it is superior to the M3. The jury is still out for me in that regard as I have yet to sit in a GS-F. However, I have sat in several M3s and would be perfectly happy with it. As for the exterior design, I think the M3 has the GS-F beat, hands down.
One has to wonder why Lexus did not give the GS-F a more powerful motor and save the RC-F motor for the IS-F. Perhaps, they knew they could not beat the Germans so they gave us a vehicle that is too weak to be compared to full size performance sedans like the M5, but too expensive to be compared to compact performance sedans like the M3? We will see if that was a good move by Lexus.
Hopefully the IS-F will not be a let down.
I love the standard GS' interior's design and materials but I cannot agree with you that it is superior to the M3. The jury is still out for me in that regard as I have yet to sit in a GS-F. However, I have sat in several M3s and would be perfectly happy with it. As for the exterior design, I think the M3 has the GS-F beat, hands down.
One has to wonder why Lexus did not give the GS-F a more powerful motor and save the RC-F motor for the IS-F. Perhaps, they knew they could not beat the Germans so they gave us a vehicle that is too weak to be compared to full size performance sedans like the M5, but too expensive to be compared to compact performance sedans like the M3? We will see if that was a good move by Lexus.
Hopefully the IS-F will not be a let down.
for exterior, i think it's pretty clear that the gs is a class above. i have no problem with the m3 interior, and i have no problem with the IS interior. but the gs interior is better. significantly larger screen, more space both front and rear cabin, larger trunk. no matter how you slice it one is compact luxury one is midsize luxury.
i will agree though that lexus is making a very awkward case for themselves. with the engine setup they cut themselves short in going against m5 and e63. it's more in line with rcf on performance (goes without saying) so it's natural to be with the m3. however its size and relative class makes it somewhat a step above the m3. so that's why it's priced the way it is
just being a sedan and have similar performance is only part of the equation. if that makes ppl think the gsf should be priced the same as m3? i say it's fault on both sides -- lexus for making this car awkward in terms of class, and people day-dreaming too much about what they get.
another way to think about it. if a loaded gs450h cost freaking 72k (or 75k now with fsport? i forgot), how could anyone remotely expect the gsf to be priced essentially the same?
10-15-15, 12:51 AM
#67
Yeah Price is not the problem I expected this price and was hoping it wouldn't be over this. Lexus priced it perfect as it is still less than a Merc or BMW yes HP but thats a work in progress which I think Turbos will help with..... I hope!
Yes there was an article either on Club Lexus or Lexus Enthusiasts stating the top engineers were saying they are doing away with naturally aspirated engines and going for turbos in the F models, I'll see if I can dig it up again.
Yes there was an article either on Club Lexus or Lexus Enthusiasts stating the top engineers were saying they are doing away with naturally aspirated engines and going for turbos in the F models, I'll see if I can dig it up again.
with this 467hp engine just making its way into the lexus lineup this year, i don't see lexus making a big change in the next 3 yrs.
https://www.clublexus.com/articles/f...-aspirated-v8/
10-15-15, 03:12 AM
#69
Yeah Price is not the problem I expected this price and was hoping it wouldn't be over this. Lexus priced it perfect as it is still less than a Merc or BMW yes HP but thats a work in progress which I think Turbos will help with..... I hope!
Yes there was an article either on Club Lexus or Lexus Enthusiasts stating the top engineers were saying they are doing away with naturally aspirated engines and going for turbos in the F models, I'll see if I can dig it up again.
Yes there was an article either on Club Lexus or Lexus Enthusiasts stating the top engineers were saying they are doing away with naturally aspirated engines and going for turbos in the F models, I'll see if I can dig it up again.
Lets not forget that the "basic" version of this car is now being discounted well equipped as low as the high $40s right now.
10-15-15, 04:37 AM
#70
Lexus Test Driver
i am not sure if i understand those who think a loaded gsf for 75k. given a loaded rcf is around that price it would be a wild dream to think a loaded gsf would be the same price. it doesn't make any sense. apple to apple i think it's not hard to see the gs has better materials and design than the m3 so why would it be the same price?
my issue is why lexus puts put a "base" gsf that's so loaded already and with a high base price. that doesn't leave choices for people
the way i put it actually doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive, but the way the pricing is communicated to customers
my issue is why lexus puts put a "base" gsf that's so loaded already and with a high base price. that doesn't leave choices for people
the way i put it actually doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive, but the way the pricing is communicated to customers
RCF is M4 competitor that uses part of GS chassis
GSF is M3 competitor because it has same engine as RCF and not anything new was really engineered for it. So why am i gonna pay a premium of $10k? For a larger NAV screen and some better plastics - come on. Plus a regular GS is priced on the level of a 3 series anyway.
CTS-V, M5, E63, RS7 - none of these cars share engines with the lower models i.e. M3/4, C63, ATS-V, RS5 therefore they can ask for a large price premium.
Lexus has really no justification for pricing GSF higher than RCF, if anything it should be less as 4 door models are usually less expensive than the coupe versions.
10-15-15, 04:50 AM
#71
My thinking is this:
RCF is M4 competitor that uses part of GS chassis
GSF is M3 competitor because it has same engine as RCF and not anything new was really engineered for it. So why am i gonna pay a premium of $10k? For a larger NAV screen and some better plastics - come on. Plus a regular GS is priced on the level of a 3 series anyway.
CTS-V, M5, E63, RS7 - none of these cars share engines with the lower models i.e. M3/4, C63, ATS-V, RS5 therefore they can ask for a large price premium.
Lexus has really no justification for pricing GSF higher than RCF, if anything it should be less as 4 door models are usually less expensive than the coupe versions.
RCF is M4 competitor that uses part of GS chassis
GSF is M3 competitor because it has same engine as RCF and not anything new was really engineered for it. So why am i gonna pay a premium of $10k? For a larger NAV screen and some better plastics - come on. Plus a regular GS is priced on the level of a 3 series anyway.
CTS-V, M5, E63, RS7 - none of these cars share engines with the lower models i.e. M3/4, C63, ATS-V, RS5 therefore they can ask for a large price premium.
Lexus has really no justification for pricing GSF higher than RCF, if anything it should be less as 4 door models are usually less expensive than the coupe versions.
10-15-15, 05:10 AM
#73
Lead Lap
It's all Monopoly money these days.
10-15-15, 06:26 AM
#74
I’m having trouble following the direction this thread is going.
The GS is always been a 5 series, E-Class and A6 competitor. When cross shopping cars, those who are looking at a 3 series would typically compare it to an IS.
GS-F seems more in-line with an Audi S6, comparing performance, cost and size. Lexus previously marketed the IS-F to compare to the old M3 Sedan.
The GS is always been a 5 series, E-Class and A6 competitor. When cross shopping cars, those who are looking at a 3 series would typically compare it to an IS.
GS-F seems more in-line with an Audi S6, comparing performance, cost and size. Lexus previously marketed the IS-F to compare to the old M3 Sedan.
10-15-15, 07:19 AM
#75
I read the C&D piece on the GS F and several others. They all have the same underlying theme; the writers clearly don't understand what Lexus is doing with this car, but are trying to be nice about it. I don't think any of the writers believe Lexus can move 2000 cars/year in the US.