"Sales of the Lexus GS were also down 40.6 percent to 1,524 units."
05-09-16, 09:11 PM
#136
in terms of driving, acceleration, smoothness, and torque, i would choose my 98 gs400 over my 15 gs350 any time
but the overall driving package and driving dynamics (braking, cornering, handling, steering feel, steering feedback, steering input and response, chassis rigidity) my 15 gs350 blows away my 98 gs400.
but the overall driving package and driving dynamics (braking, cornering, handling, steering feel, steering feedback, steering input and response, chassis rigidity) my 15 gs350 blows away my 98 gs400.
05-09-16, 09:17 PM
#137
Lexus tries to sell obsolete technology packaged in a well made, reliable package but that does not work for a modern buyers anymore.
Keeping the same 3.5 liter engine as the top engine in GS for almost 20 years is a disrespect to Lexus buyers. The current F sport is slower than a lower-end 3-series - BMW 328. Lexus has to either up their game or stop positioning their cars as sporty. Hell, Q50 now has a 400 hp turbo 6.
I don't even want to mentioned the ancient 6-speed auto in all-wheel drive models. Why can't they put the 8-speed auto in those cars?
Keeping the same 3.5 liter engine as the top engine in GS for almost 20 years is a disrespect to Lexus buyers. The current F sport is slower than a lower-end 3-series - BMW 328. Lexus has to either up their game or stop positioning their cars as sporty. Hell, Q50 now has a 400 hp turbo 6.
I don't even want to mentioned the ancient 6-speed auto in all-wheel drive models. Why can't they put the 8-speed auto in those cars?
You may have these opinions but that does not mean the market as a whole echoes your thought chamber.
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05-09-16, 09:35 PM
#138
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I`m referring to the ES to 5 Series transition. An ES buyer, whose vehicle maxes out at $42k (average price with all the bells on a nonhybrid) and lease offer of mid $300s wont want to jump into a 5 series with an average base price of $49k or lease at high $400s to mid $500s. It makes more sense for them to jump into a more aggressively priced 3 series or decked out CPO 5 series. Not saying their are exceptions to the rule, but the traditional flow is usually those in ESes tend to really not switch brands since the ES is an all rounder and unique in both design and value. GS owners, 5 series owners regardless of how expensive or basic their model is tend to jump around, and sometimes as you said see value with the ES more then a GS as theyre both sized equivalently, but pricing is where it really gets muddy.
The average ES does not lease in the mid 300s. A good ES lease nowadays is $450. I understand what gets advertised, but those leases have a lot of money down, low miles, etc.
When the GS was well rebated the difference monthly between an ES and a GS was very small.
05-10-16, 03:10 AM
#139
Now there is a statement that can be proved to be wrong. Auto sales up in the US have been right around all time record high sales the past year.
05-10-16, 04:18 AM
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/auto-mak...rch-1459517734
Car loans stretching 84 months or longer and the share of vehicles leased both increased, according to researcher J.D. Power.
05-10-16, 05:14 AM
#141
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Why would the economy effect only the Lexus GS and not its competitors in its segment?
05-10-16, 07:28 AM
#143
Based on this report, it's not just the GS that's lagging in sales so far this year.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/05...-2016-ytd.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/05...-2016-ytd.html
05-10-16, 10:25 AM
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If you look at the April 2016 report from Lexus, all passenger cars suck (in terms of sales). SUVs are selling the best.
If they want to start moving cars again, they need to get back to offering the incentives that people expect. Problem is, they went down that rabbit hole, now they can't climb out.
If they want to start moving cars again, they need to get back to offering the incentives that people expect. Problem is, they went down that rabbit hole, now they can't climb out.
05-10-16, 12:03 PM
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Didn't read the entire thread but Lexus still suffers from it's a rebadged Toyota syndrome. Many people I know who buy luxury cars do not want Lexus purely because the badge doesn't get the same respect as BMW or Mercedes. I even have people call my GS an overpriced Camry.
Oh well, I still like my overpriced Camry and may get another one in 3 years or so.
Oh well, I still like my overpriced Camry and may get another one in 3 years or so.
05-10-16, 03:10 PM
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Didn't read the entire thread but Lexus still suffers from it's a rebadged Toyota syndrome. Many people I know who buy luxury cars do not want Lexus purely because the badge doesn't get the same respect as BMW or Mercedes. I even have people call my GS an overpriced Camry.
Oh well, I still like my overpriced Camry and may get another one in 3 years or so.
Oh well, I still like my overpriced Camry and may get another one in 3 years or so.
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05-10-16, 03:11 PM
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If you look at the April 2016 report from Lexus, all passenger cars suck (in terms of sales). SUVs are selling the best.
If they want to start moving cars again, they need to get back to offering the incentives that people expect. Problem is, they went down that rabbit hole, now they can't climb out.
If they want to start moving cars again, they need to get back to offering the incentives that people expect. Problem is, they went down that rabbit hole, now they can't climb out.
Hideous. I think I just talked myself out of a Lexus.
05-10-16, 03:13 PM
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Didn't read the entire thread but Lexus still suffers from it's a rebadged Toyota syndrome. Many people I know who buy luxury cars do not want Lexus purely because the badge doesn't get the same respect as BMW or Mercedes. I even have people call my GS an overpriced Camry.
Oh well, I still like my overpriced Camry and may get another one in 3 years or so.
Oh well, I still like my overpriced Camry and may get another one in 3 years or so.
05-10-16, 03:29 PM
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I'm not necessarily so wild about turbos. They bring a lot more heat and I bet you a lot more problems. Same with that stupid stop/start. Good luck with your starters. My 12 BMW X3 doesn't have a turbo and it's a straight 6. The 2013 is when they went to the turbo 4. I'll take the straight 6 any day. How about Lexus making some engines whereby max torque is really low on the curve instead of at 4-5k rpm?
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05-10-16, 04:31 PM
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Yes, but is it due to the economy being better or people being able to finance cars for 84 months or more. Or great leasing deals?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/auto-mak...rch-1459517734
http://www.wsj.com/articles/auto-mak...rch-1459517734