ItzFilyO

They won't move anything. If one would spend $85K on a Lexus, better to get a loaded LS.

I foresee another huge price drop on this one after a while.

kamlung

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then it gives me another year to save up and buy one hopefully at a huge discount...

LexISguy

10K per door....lol

iggyhop9

Another? When's the first price drop?

iggyhop9

You and me both brotha

LexRuger

$100k in L.A. for the first year LOL.

ItzFilyO

I'm referring to the RCF drop. It's scary to see how many RCFs I see on my dealer's lot and they're just rotting in there along with the RC 350s.

The GSF will go down the same road as the RCF again.

mrpartsman

you know they wont give any deals on this car as soon as it comes out, either full pop or over sticker, and thats y u wait then they will drop the price to sell, I will wait for it, just to make sure everything is good, then jump on it and what if in 3 years they do a Turbo or add more HP.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

wonder if they'll break out the sales

ItzFilyO

Give it at least 6 months. These aren't iPhones, so nobody will be lining up for them.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

again you are just looking at performance and ignore everything else. in that regard then there is no point for discussion. like i said, doesn't matter how you slice it, the gs is in mid-size segment and 3 is in compact size segment, there is a difference in the design, materials, features, and space. you can't deny those

i can't agree on the gs vs 3 pricing. from what i see a lot of 3 are in the mid 40s whereas most gs are 53k or above. i don't call that the price price level

i am definitely not saying the gsf is ok, i have a lot of problems with the car. i have said it many times that lexus is creating a lot of trouble for themselves with this car slotting it between two segments. it's really like in the middle of nowhere.

but saying the gsf should be priced the same as rcf or even lower is simply a very silly thing to remotely think

that doesn't make sense. it's like saying the isf was pointless, people should have just gotten the gs

and that my 80k m3 was pointless, that i should have gotten a 550i.

very different cars

lawdoc79

[QUOTE=rominl;9217638]again you are just looking at performance and ignore everything else. in that regard then there is no point for discussion. like i said, doesn't matter how you slice it, the gs is in mid-size segment and 3 is in compact size segment, there is a difference in the design, materials, features, and space. you can't deny those

That's not true, but even if it was, isn't the draw of the GSF to consumers its performance? If I was in the market for a performance sedan and was looking at Lexus for what they have to offer in this arena, the only option is the GSF. In light of the fact that it underperforms against the M3, I would expect that the price to be competitively priced against the M3. Not saying that it should be the same price or cheaper, but at least in the same ball park. You can get a well equipped M3 for mid to high $60s. The cheapest the GSF goes for is mid $80s. A $20k or ~30% difference in price is a big difference; especially when you take into account the pedigree of the M brand. People pay a premium for performance versions of a vehicle everyday, as you yourself know. For example, your decked out M3 is priced in the same ballpark as the LS F Sport. So, just because the GSF is in a higher class than the M3, it does not follow that it necessarily has to be more expensive, and in this case, much more.

i am definitely not saying the gsf is ok, i have a lot of problems with the car. i have said it many times that lexus is creating a lot of trouble for themselves with this car slotting it between two segments. it's really like in the middle of nowhere.

agreed.

but saying the gsf should be priced the same as rcf or even lower is simply a very silly thing to remotely think

As stated earlier by another member, the M3 has the same motor as the M4 and is priced similarly. If we follow the same logic with Lexus, it's not very silly to expect that the GSF to be priced similarly to an RCF. There is only a $6k difference between their standard counterparts, so what's the justification for the $20k premium over the RCF, which itself is overpriced?

The bottom line is that I, and apparently many of our colleagues on this forum, believe that the GSF is priced too high for what you are getting.

Vladi

What has happened with the seats? 10/8 power seats? Did they completely eliminate 16/10 for 2016 or this is just a case of GS-F?

1111GS

You certainly are correct there. It doesn't make the gsf cheaper or more expensive. And this is not new as they've done it on gs/gx. In public eyes, gs/gx start around high 40s. A fully loaded gs/gx can land someone in 60s. If gs/gx came loaded as base as in the new gsf, I don't think we would have seen that many gs/gx on the road. Lexus knows but chose not to do this on gsf. Someone may think 85k is way too much to ask for this car. Maybe Lexus knows that too. But as you mentioned, maybe they don't want people to have choices on this car. I certainly can relate and respect this idea.

RNM GS3

Lexus has changed the GSF position in the marketplace by putting the same engine/performance thats in the RCF into the new GSF.

The engineering costs were shared between GSF and RCF - same engine, same transmission, same brakes, same TVD, same seats even. RCF uses parts of the GSF chassis. Therefore why is the GSF priced so much higher???

M3 and M4 share just as many parts between them as GSF / RCF and they are priced almost identically

Now if the GSF had a unique engine and other bits superior to RCF like M5 has over M3 then i can see why the price is higher.