metrathon

I did not say there were no issues, but you're blowing it slightly out of proportion, like BMW is KNOWN for failing turbos. Which is not true.

And yes, every car owner has a list of things he cares for. But in the end, you buy the car that checks your top boxes. Bought a Bimmer? Most probably you care most about engine, tranny, and latest gizmos. Lexus? Reliability, refinement, value.

I'm sure owning both a 535i and a GS gives you a perfect insight of all the products offered by two companies, but I still think the BMW drive event is a great opportunity for most drivers on this forum to better understand and appreciate the pros/cons of each brand.

rijc99

Ask the guys that had N54's. Yours were not turbo N54's so maybe you aren't familiar with that motor's issues. There are plenty of examples of N54's with turbo failures. Along with high pressure fuel pump failures. Enough where they are out of norm when compared to other makes. Enough where BMW felt they had to lower the boost levels and offer extend warranties.

N54 is where the turbos came in. And granted now the newer engines have turbos too. But it kinda started started with the turbo inline 6 N54 motor. Google it and you'll see there are lots of examples of turbo failure. If you strictly look at their turbo cars, you will find the failure rate was higher than should be considered normal. (Exclude 325, 328, 330, 525, 528, 530, etc. as they are not turbo)

My original point was turbos including BMW's DO fail. Someone then said they didn't believe me BMW turbos fail as they didn't see it in the forums. I responded with google searches of examples. Then you jumped in. But my original statement was turbos including BMW's do fail.

BTW. Channel this version of metrathon when you go talk to the dog lady. More argumentative and assertive.

metrathon

The N54 was BMW first turbo gas engine, so it's bound to have some issues. Everything first has issues. But look at BMW's diesel turbos, they've sold countless for decades now and I don't think they are less reliable than other brand out there.

If your point is that, generally, a turbo engine is less reliable than a NA, that might be right, though it's only my gut speaking as I haven't read any study on it. Lexus' reliability might take a slight hit as they transition to turbos, but it won't be visible because the whole industry will take roughly the same hit as everyone switches to turbos. NA are pretty much dead with the new fuel and emission standards.

I talked to the dog lady again, firmer this time. She said she'll do her best to hold the dog. I'll keep you posted

kamlung

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i agree.. they should think about going back to the old GS3 (with a 6 cyl) have a v8 GS4 model and then the GSF could be v8 turboed? put the 4 banger turbos on the smaller IS platform?

peteharvey

Last year, due to an oil leak which cost them $3,000 to repair, my front door neighbors subsequently traded their 3 year old C Class 2.2 liter turbo-diesel, for an all new E Class Coupe with a similar 2.2 liter turbo-diesel engine.

Two weeks ago, the all new E Class Coupe with 2.2 turbo-diesel spilled oil all over their garage floor, and oil stains from the spill remain.
It had to be towed back to base, and Benz supplied them with a loan car.

I told them to buy Jap, but the wife keeps saying Lexus looks like a Toyota, which is partly true, but is not a good enough reason not to buy Lexus.
I think they may switch over to Jap because they are retired, and their wallet is really emptying...

tea

i think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with the fuel efficiency with the 2.0t

metrathon

I think that's a big reason why Lexus' audience is slightly older than other luxury brands. Retired ppl still want to drive a luxury car, but not worry about reliability.

Think about it this way: how much does it cost to repair the HID headlamp of a GS vs a laser matrix on an A6