jjscsix

I've driven a TLX, no vibration in the one I drove. As to Front drive, I'm not a big fan of front drive, but that by itself has no bearing on fuel economy.

peteharvey

Not a lot of people are talking about noise, vibration and harshness NVH.
I drove an all new NX200t several months ago, and while I was very happy with the instant response, and the power available, I was appalled at the NVH from the vibration on the firewall at idle, to the coarseness and loudness on moderately wide open throttle - the 2 liter turbo is NOT a joy to rev at all.

I would go for an RX350 V6 for NVH any day.

Gasoline is still relatively cheap, so those who can afford it, will go V6.
Likewise, V8's are smoother than V6's again, and those who can afford V8's will go V8...

ls430lover

as far as nvh, turbo lag, quietness and sound, the lexus/toyota turbo has a lot to prove with bmw 2.0 n20 motor
i am blown away with 2000 miles driven in my new 5 the smoothness off the line, the power when needed,
the noise isolation, the idling almost perfect no vibration. does it sound like a 3.5 v6 kicking down not even close but after 2000 miles and lately doing a lot more city driving due to a job change, i am averaging 27 mpg,
simply brilliant i am curious how lexus has tuned this s200 with the 8 speed.
bmw really went a long way to make this powertrain drivable and fun, i will bet toyota lexus has done the same and this will increase gs sales 20 -30%

jduong29

Why don't you just wish a Lexus GS F V8 for under $60k instead. Why would you want a GS 350 V8 when they already have GS F V8?? Come lets think before we start wishing and wanting something. I wish they have the LFA under $40k. LOL

sick21

I'm just not interested in the 2.0, it seems underpowered and the gained fuel economy isn't that big of a gain. I guess that's why they make other engine choices, for buyers like me.

And I too am surprised at the GS' resell value. That's why I decided to hang onto mine until the end of next summer. When I traded in my wife's 2014 4Runner Limited, I got $3k less than I paid for it and it had 10k miles on. Now that's good!

Gruu

As others have already commented, though, for roughly the same weight, power, torque, and fuel efficiency, the BMW 528i is a full second faster 0-60 than the GS 200t.

BMW 528i / Lexus GS 200t

• 3814 lbs / 3805 lbs
• 240 HP / 241 HP
• 260 lb-ft / 258 lb-ft
• 23/34 mpg / 22/33 mpg
• 6.1s 0-60 / 7.2s 0-60

Sources:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
http://www.pressroom.lexus.com/relea...specs.download

Short of competing on price by being several thousand dollars cheaper than the BMW, or selling to people who don't care about 0-60 times, I don't see how the GS 200t is competitive. Could those of you who believe that it is please help me understand your reasoning?

rijc99

Lower price, most people don't care about pure acceleration, better handling and suspension, reliability, looks, etc.

There are a lot of objective and subjective reasons for people to chose a GS over a 5.

rijc99

GSF and something like a GS460 would be different animals. Similar to a M5 and a 550i. A GS460 would be more akin to the 2nd gen GS300 and GS400. Same body but bigger engine. Whereas the GSF and M5 are tweaked bodies and numerous other upgrades from the standard car.

jadu

iTrader: (42)

The specs are very close to a 528i. The 528i trans has aggressive gearing off the line it will have the jump but we all know the new gs has very well handling dynamics. I can't wait to see a real world comparo of these two, mpg, handling, speed, comfort etc

dchar

Think how awesome would it be if the current GSF became the GS500, while bumping the GSF from a n/a V8 to a supercharged V8 or n/a V10 (similar to the LFA)! I'll keep dreaming here

ls430lover

buyers
a lot of gs owners wants lexus for reliability and for the dealer network
also in my opinion the gs is a little more comfortable in interior the 5 more sporty in its design and look. both great cars for the money, the gs will also with the 4 handle better for those desiring playful suspensions, it will be lighter with the 4 over the 6 in the front end which will be better for handling.

peteharvey

I find that the BMW 2 liter turbo has better NVH than the Lexus NX200t [whose NVH was appalling], however the BMW 2L turbo is still no match for a six at idle, and on revving.

Furthermore, unlike the C Class and NX200t which have instant response and very flat torque curves, I find that the BMW 2L turbo has slight lag, and a very peaky torque curve typical of turbo engines.

The fact that the GS200t and 528i are similar in size, weight, yet the BM is 1 second faster from 0-60 shows that BMW under-rates their peak power figure.
This brings us to one other issue with turbo engines.
Back in the 1980's Formula One era, the F1 cars would race at only 2.5 Bar pressure.
However, they would qualify at 4.5 Bars!
During races, the F1 engines could be dialled to 4.5 Bars, but only for 5 minutes; beyond 5 minutes they would overheat and blow!
Thus, with turbo engines, manufacturers are welcome to increase the boost to provide quicker 0-60 times, however durability and longevity wise, the BM will suffer.

Many people forget why turbos were discontinued back in the 1980's.
Each type of engine has its pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages.

In Europe, land is limited, yet population dense, so traffic congestion is extreme, hence cars are discouraged with higher taxation and gasoline prices, and hence the need for small capacity turbos to reduce fuel consumption.
The lower fuel consumption in turn reduces emissions.
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webra

Did you check if the sound symposer was on? On the NX200t turning it off made a big difference.

webra

None of the recent Lexus cars lead in performance. They don't seem interested at all. Look at what Alfa Romeo is trying to do with the Gulia. That's more performance inclined. Lexus concentrates on making their cars look fast instead.

Blaze876

iTrader: (1)

So you are measuring a car competitiveness based on 0-60 times?
Do you buy cars based solely on 0-60 times?

So if you find the GS better looking both inside and out, handles better, more comfortable, better reliability you will toss all that out of the window because it is slower by 1 second 0-60?