Operation replace the 4GS...or don't...the search begins
#151
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Originally Posted by rominl
the gs is a good car, but i have to be honest and say the LS is a lot better, i don't feel the gs is 90% of the LS unless i care more about the driving dynamics
Like I said, when I was driving the LS I felt like I had to have it, once I was back in the GS I kind of felt like I didn't really. I think I'm going to do it, its the logical step for me and its what I ultimately want...but even having had the LS and comparing them back to back, I could happily stay in the GS.
#153
I just read all this thread and was in the exact same predicament as the op. All I wanted was a nice family car that looks sharp and can haul tail if/when I needed it to for under 60k. All the same cars on your first post were on the list and we ended up with the 15 Gs350 F-sport a week ago and are pretty happy with it so far.
#155
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Isn't the LS going to get refreshed soon too?
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#157
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Tech and gadgets, in the price range I'll be in (~$80k) I actually will wind up with a car with LESS tech and gadgets than my GS. No AVS, no multi-contour seats, no rear audio/climate controls, no rear sunshades, maybe no semi-aniline leather (its a very low cost option on the LS, its a matter of finding one).
Originally Posted by ItzFilyO
Isn't the LS going to get refreshed soon too?
Part of it too is that I realize that I'm at a point where my window to lease/purchase an LS is drawing to a close. There are limits to what I will pay for a car, I'm not going to buy/lease a car much over $80k, I'm not going to make 4 figure lease payments. Its not about not being able to, its a question of value. You can get incredible cars for $80-85k and below, and I'd rather buy a vacation condo, a boat, whatever.
Anyways, right now because the LS is so slow moving at at the end of its lifecycle I have an opportunity to get one for what my upper limit is when it comes to a price for a car. The S Class is over that level, and the A8 is too, as will be the new 7 when it comes out. Really the only two flagship cars that aren't are the LS and the XJ.
Once the all-new LS comes out, its going to be over that price point...and I'm going to be priced out. Plus, the talk is about moving the LS more dynamic and thats not really what I want out of the car.
I could see myself leasing the LS, and then buying it, depreciating it twice for taxes and keeping it a long time.
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#158
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you are right, actually i thought about it and from a price point a view, it's hard to beat on the gs. it really has a lot to do with the gs lease. with so much incentives on the gs, price factored in the gs is a lot more attractive. though i would really still argue that the LS has noticeably better and smoother ride quality. you just can't beat that v8. one thing i constantly complain about my gs350 is power, the engine revs up often and that noise gets annoying. comparing to my days with gs400, sc430, and ls460l, the effortless feel of the v8 always capture my heart
#159
No question about the status and the presence on the road, that means a lot when you get into that segment. But, when you take the intangibles out of it, the GS really is 90% as good a car as the LS.
Tech and gadgets, in the price range I'll be in (~$80k) I actually will wind up with a car with LESS tech and gadgets than my GS. No AVS, no multi-contour seats, no rear audio/climate controls, no rear sunshades, maybe no semi-aniline leather (its a very low cost option on the LS, its a matter of finding one).
Likely an all new LS in 2017. I'm not really worried about having the latest model of the LS though. Part of that "flagship" status and appeal negates some of the appeal of having the latest model. I still look at prior generations of the LS and appreciate them in a way I don't other models. Same with say an S Class or a 7 Series.
Part of it too is that I realize that I'm at a point where my window to lease/purchase an LS is drawing to a close. There are limits to what I will pay for a car, I'm not going to buy/lease a car much over $80k, I'm not going to make 4 figure lease payments. Its not about not being able to, its a question of value. You can get incredible cars for $80-85k and below, and I'd rather buy a vacation condo, a boat, whatever.
Anyways, right now because the LS is so slow moving at at the end of its lifecycle I have an opportunity to get one for what my upper limit is when it comes to a price for a car. The S Class is over that level, and the A8 is too, as will be the new 7 when it comes out. Really the only two flagship cars that aren't are the LS and the XJ.
Once the all-new LS comes out, its going to be over that price point...and I'm going to be priced out. Plus, the talk is about moving the LS more dynamic and thats not really what I want out of the car.
I could see myself leasing the LS, and then buying it, depreciating it twice for taxes and keeping it a long time.
Tech and gadgets, in the price range I'll be in (~$80k) I actually will wind up with a car with LESS tech and gadgets than my GS. No AVS, no multi-contour seats, no rear audio/climate controls, no rear sunshades, maybe no semi-aniline leather (its a very low cost option on the LS, its a matter of finding one).
Likely an all new LS in 2017. I'm not really worried about having the latest model of the LS though. Part of that "flagship" status and appeal negates some of the appeal of having the latest model. I still look at prior generations of the LS and appreciate them in a way I don't other models. Same with say an S Class or a 7 Series.
Part of it too is that I realize that I'm at a point where my window to lease/purchase an LS is drawing to a close. There are limits to what I will pay for a car, I'm not going to buy/lease a car much over $80k, I'm not going to make 4 figure lease payments. Its not about not being able to, its a question of value. You can get incredible cars for $80-85k and below, and I'd rather buy a vacation condo, a boat, whatever.
Anyways, right now because the LS is so slow moving at at the end of its lifecycle I have an opportunity to get one for what my upper limit is when it comes to a price for a car. The S Class is over that level, and the A8 is too, as will be the new 7 when it comes out. Really the only two flagship cars that aren't are the LS and the XJ.
Once the all-new LS comes out, its going to be over that price point...and I'm going to be priced out. Plus, the talk is about moving the LS more dynamic and thats not really what I want out of the car.
I could see myself leasing the LS, and then buying it, depreciating it twice for taxes and keeping it a long time.
#160
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keep in mind the current generation of LS has been running from 2007. but yes, even when i see the ls430 i still think it has quite a welcoming presence.
that's the thing i like about flagships. for some reasons, manufacturers (bmw, lexus, mb) are able to design their flagships in such a way that even over time, you still get their presence when one passes by
i do think the concept of values changes according to your wealth. i am in the same boat where paying under 4 digits make me feel more comfortable. but i can see if my income increases by certain reasonable amount (meaning not like i hit a lotto tomorrow), i probably would be in the new s
that's the thing i like about flagships. for some reasons, manufacturers (bmw, lexus, mb) are able to design their flagships in such a way that even over time, you still get their presence when one passes by
i do think the concept of values changes according to your wealth. i am in the same boat where paying under 4 digits make me feel more comfortable. but i can see if my income increases by certain reasonable amount (meaning not like i hit a lotto tomorrow), i probably would be in the new s
#161
That being said, I just spent a month overseas, and getting back in the seat of the GS was a joy. I admire other cars, but I don't lust for them like I used to. There's nothing out there in GS territory that I would rather have. Not a year ago, and not now. If my lease were coming up, I'd either extend it, or buy the car out.
I'm not sure if that helps your decision at all, OP, but thought I would share!
#162
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Still gathering numbers from a myriad of sources, will keep everybody posted. I have a quiet day today, might go drive an XJ...
#163
This has been a really good thread, but its starting to look like a **** movie where nobodies clothes have come off yet, just some good cleavage. When are we getting to the good stuff?
#165
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I shall start another thread