sharmila19

After a long delay, I am ready to take the plunge....and recenlty fell in love with the GS 2013 Luxury package (CPO)....and went to our local dealer who is almost trying to sway me away from GS.

The sales manager, advised that GS won't be so comfortable for long (110 total miles) commute each day and additionally the gas would be expensive.

Now this is all highway miles and if you calculate the extra money one pays for the gas - won't come out to more than 500-800$ a year.

As far as comfort, I test drove the car for 15-30 mins....the car felt a little heavy and sluggish (I am not a pedal pusher, gentle driver) but I don't know how ES is more comfortable for my particular purpose...

sick21

The GS takes a lot of pedal input to move it. Has nothing to do with power, just the way the throttle is. The GS is the lightest car in its class. If it felt heavier to you, maybe you should consider a smaller car or the more sporty F Sport. In regards to comfort, the GS is way more comfortable IMO. I had an ES as a loaner when my car was in the shop and I wanted to kill myself. It did have more throttle response than my GS which made it feel "peppier" but once I got back into my GS, it made that ES feel unrefined. Not only do I like my GS' seats better but being in a cabin surrounded by higher quality materials also aids in being more comfortable.

The sales manager probably has a hidden agenda. He probably needs to move more ES' or something stupid.

sharmila19

That's what I thought....sorry - a lot of pedal to move it is what I meant when I said heavy.

AL13NV8D3R

Just put the GS in sport or sport+ mode and it will make the pedal more responsive. I have a 2014 GS 350 RWD and i have drag raced a 2015 ES 350 FWD and i was definatly faster out of the hole and way ahead of the ES @ 60mph+. So its not that the GS is weaker or slower its programmed to be more smooth thus making it feel more slow. But if you put your foot on it, it will haul a$$. The GS has a gas pedal detent like BMWs where after pressing all the way on the gas pedal you have to press a little harder to enable full throttle mode. My cousin also owns a GS350 and had always complained the full throttle is slow on his GS. When i told him about the detent on the pedal it made him very happy with his car now.

sick21

^^That also made a lot of people happy on here when they found out about that detent in the pedal.

OP, try to take them both out for a good test drive. Maybe even keep each one over night if you really can't decide which one is better. I am a huge fan of the GS, so I'm biased. All I can say is the GS isn't a more expensive car for no reason...

Ford1776

My wife has a 2013 ES and I have a 2014 AWD GS. The GS is much more comfortable and I always drive in Sport+ mode and love it.

I drive 100 miles a day and had the ES for a year and then got the GS because the ES wasn't comfortable enough and lacked a little power. My wife then took the ES

I average about 22 miles per gallon and I think she gets about 24.

sick21

You sir, probably just answered OP's questions better than any of us since you own both cars

LexRuger

I've owned both. The two cars are completely different. The ES is a cruiser and the GS is a sports car. To me, both were comfortable but I'd probably take the ES over the GS in a road trip since it has more of a cushy ride.

The GS is stiffer so it handles better and is funner to drive. Just depends on what driving characteristics that you prefer. Sporty or laid-back?

ohface

This is because they want to sell you the car they are making more profit on.

Kayman

GS is a superior car in every aspect. ES is a floater ride without any real feedback for the driver. But I agree with others that the dealer has a hidden agenda pushing the ES. The GS won't disappoint. I also find ECO mode around town shortens the shifts and makes start and stop daily driving more enthusiastic. But nothing beats a bit of fun in S+

ItzFilyO

Hell yea that Sport+ is something else.

SlangBlade

My guess is that they're pushing a new car (ES) on you, instead of a used car (GS). They don't get any kind of kick back or sale number from Lexus, aside from a few bucks profit, on selling used cars. Go get yourself the GS.

Joeb427

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Dealers usually make more money on used vehicles than new.


OP,having owned two ES350's,go GS.

bclexus

Right you are!

SlangBlade

True, but if they have a goal to move a certain number of new cars, a used car isn't going to help them. I know salesman get bonuses based on the number of new cars they sell, not sure if used cars count towards that. When I sold cars, it didn't.