bocahoo

I hear you, but I'm not really interested any of that. I live in south Florida.... there are no corners. And I'm not planning to track my car. I just want a GS with more power (i.e. a redux of the GS460, but with a bigger power bump over the V6 than the old 460). I'd be happy with a GS equivalent of the 550i... I'm not looking for a competitor to the M5.

Atomic350F

Glad to see we have a member that is READY for the GS F!!! Makes sense since you would be coming out of a 4 year old IS F too...

Are you looking to be one of the first owners when it's released? Please share pics when you get this dream machine!!

Atomic350F

If horsepower is your main/only criteria, then yes the GS F is probably not going to win that competition... sorry to see we're losing a long time Lexus owner due to this...

When did you start putting so much emphasis on horsepower..?? Lexus has never been at the top of that heap!!

Gojirra99

It has, when the 2GS430 was launched ...

Atomic350F

Haaaa!!

Well said, definitely two different demographics for the two models, so I dont think they are going to price the cars as if they are competing with one another..

Very similar cars obviously, though one with an emphasis on performance the other with economy. It's nice that Lexus gives us choices like this!

Atomic350F

Good points here, whenever a hot new model comes out it's hard to haggle a great deal, and sometimes you even pay extra if the demand outweighs the supplies as could be the case here early on with the GS F.

The flipside is you are one of the only people on the road that owns one, which is pretty cool too!

I echo another post that you can extend your existing lease to see how the market unfolds if you dont need to change right away and want to see how the market fairs up later in the year for the GS F..

Towards the end of the lease, the driving gets REAL fun too since you know that car will be going away soon enough!!

Atomic350F

True, they have dabbled in horsepower in the past for sure, but thats has not really been the main focus for most of their cars over the decades imo..

I like the new direction they have taken over the last few years though, tossing in a healthy dose of driving excitement into their cars characteristics more so across the board!

And really 467 (smooth and reliable) horsepower sounds pretty darn good to me for the GS!

HDEddie1

I read somewhere the the GS F would be "limited production". I hope the car doesn't fall victim to some greedy dealers tacking on "market condition" mark ups. It seems in my area (So Cal) when any in-demand or limited edition car hits the market, there's a tack-on window sticker. I hope not. For marketing reasons, I think the GS F needs to be in the mid 70's for Lexus to be in the dogfight with Audi S6 and BMW 550ix. Those cars have been in the market for several years now and are selling at discount.

Gojirra99

they are building 1600 units per year, and U.S. being their largest market, for a V8 like this in particular, I think at least half or more should be allocated to the US ?

jtrue28

How many 3GS 460s did they sell / year? I believe 2010 or 2011 was the last year that they even offered the 460, and even then I would have had to special order it.

Also, since this car will be RWD only, will they even ship them north of the Mason-Dixon line?

rominl

iTrader: (4)

in 2008 they released the isf to have 1 more hp than the m3 and held on to the release until bmw released power number, i doubt that was coincidence.

the 467hp figure in the rcf is very respectable and is more than both the m3 and c63. on that end it's pretty clear to me that lexus is aware of power. of course i am not saying that lexus should have the most power, never said so. but..... (that's another story)

Atomic350F

Seems we are in agreeance here my friend, noting Lexus is definitely stepping up their game when it comes to the performance minded driving enthusiast, more so in recent years than ever!!

As such, the 2015 GS350 F Sport is my first Lexus, and if they keep with this trend I will stay with them for a long time... They have always made great reliable, smooth luxury cars, but now they are getting FUN to drive and exciting to gaze upon too!!

For BMW and MB to compete now as an all around car to own, they are going to have to address their weaknesses, reliability and resale value...

rominl

iTrader: (4)

they are stepping up for sure. i would agree on the rcf, but the gsf is a letdown so far imho. it's a great car to compete against the m3 but considering that this is actually a car in the mid-size segment it gives me funny feeling.

absolutely agree with the sportiness of lexus cars, greatly improved. and with their improvement on build quality and reliability after the dip, it's definitely a very good sign

no doubt on the resale of german, but their quality has improved a lot over the years too. i have to say my 08 m3 and 07 s550 both visited the shop less than my 08 gs350. but i do feel that with german it's more of a hit or miss. sometimes you just run into a total lemon. with lexus it's more consistent.

but i also have to say, big part of the luxury market? they lease and change up every few years, they probably don't care about long term reliability that much. i am not saying that's a good thing, but i am just saying that in the luxury world, a lot of people are willing to pay. there is a reason why bmw and mb sell so many cars -- a lot of them are leased. and lexus is obviously learning from that considering how much more aggressive lexus has been in the leasing game

sirsaula

I want(ed) the GS F but the CTS V ****s on everything M and AMG included... tough pick

Gojirra99

IMO CTS-V has the most attractive exterior among all too, and should be priced similar to the GS F, interior though , I like GS F better ...