learning about the engine in GS
06-22-14, 08:08 AM
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Harry,
Your problem is not with your arguments; they are, by and large, sound and well-supported with evidence. Rather, the problem is with your attitude. You are snide, and no amount of throwaway compliments, equivocations, or gently couched barbs hides your true intent from those you target: you are all about putting other people down in order to elevate yourself above them based on the financial resources you command. You've been called on this many times, yet it seems you cannot desist or ameliorate your attitude to any substantial degree. This is unfortunate.
Your problem is not with your arguments; they are, by and large, sound and well-supported with evidence. Rather, the problem is with your attitude. You are snide, and no amount of throwaway compliments, equivocations, or gently couched barbs hides your true intent from those you target: you are all about putting other people down in order to elevate yourself above them based on the financial resources you command. You've been called on this many times, yet it seems you cannot desist or ameliorate your attitude to any substantial degree. This is unfortunate.
Originally Posted by harryra
What I find sad is that I'm challenged on comments I make like MPG on an S or C-Class Mercedes by someone who either knows nothing of that brand or has never owned one
06-22-14, 08:21 AM
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For any members interested, I have a 12 page PDF that goes into great detail about this engine. It was written by the Toyota people who developed this engine. It's very technical and informative. Unfortunately I'm an old technophobe so I have no idea how to post it here. I have it as an email attachment and would be happy to forward it to anyone interested who wants to PM me with an email address to send it to. Maybe someone here would like to post the file here.
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06-22-14, 08:33 AM
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Im the OP, and I still can't figure out, how in the USA, that the engine wouldn't be enough for someone. If someone is a speed addict, still, the car seems capable of going beyond any safe limit for the USA.
I owned bimmers before, including M series, and those cars handle realy well, but the engines also were far too much than any person would ever need. I had an M and it was enough.
Is there some sort of driving that I am missing here, such that people require even more speed? I don't see that need on any road i drive on , and I drive a lot.
I bought the car because it is realy kewl, it is different from a BMW, and it has luxury, sport, looks, etc. I don't need tork or more hp or a different granny tranny, ya know?
I owned bimmers before, including M series, and those cars handle realy well, but the engines also were far too much than any person would ever need. I had an M and it was enough.
Is there some sort of driving that I am missing here, such that people require even more speed? I don't see that need on any road i drive on , and I drive a lot.
I bought the car because it is realy kewl, it is different from a BMW, and it has luxury, sport, looks, etc. I don't need tork or more hp or a different granny tranny, ya know?
06-22-14, 08:52 AM
#49
Toyota's been making cars since 1936. Toyota is the auto company behind the Lexus brand. You may wish to read Dawson's Lexus:The Relentless Pursuit to learn how the Lexus brand was developed within Toyota. Amazon link is
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06-22-14, 09:17 AM
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I don't think you and I have ever agreed on anything before, but we do here LOL.
The issue is that the MPG of an MB S or C class is not comparable to the MPG of a Lexus GS because they are not comparable vehicles. The S Class is larger and more expensive, and compares with the LS (if even..), and the C Class is smaller and cheaper and compares with the IS and ES (to a lesser extent). If you want to compare the GS is an MB...compare it to its competitor, the E Class.
The issue is that the MPG of an MB S or C class is not comparable to the MPG of a Lexus GS because they are not comparable vehicles. The S Class is larger and more expensive, and compares with the LS (if even..), and the C Class is smaller and cheaper and compares with the IS and ES (to a lesser extent). If you want to compare the GS is an MB...compare it to its competitor, the E Class.
06-22-14, 09:43 AM
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The issue is direct comparisons that the poster who was the target of my reponse has made, you haven't.
06-22-14, 09:55 AM
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I dispute this. Manufacturers are using turbos to meet emission and fuel efficiency standards as per a well-defined test methodology. Turbos help to meet those standards WITHIN that testing regime. OUTSIDE the regime, in the real world for example, turbos produce VERY disappointing mileage numbers for the people that ACTUALLY use them. What I see on the horizon is a new turbo that restricts acceleration by careful control of the boost curve. Such "de-tuned" turbos could well meet BOTH government standards as well as real-world mileage expectations. The cost, of course, would be borne by those forced to purchase cars with underperforming engines compared to what is currently available in both NA and turbo flavors.
06-22-14, 10:06 AM
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I dispute this. Manufacturers are using turbos to meet emission and fuel efficiency standards as per a well-defined test methodology. Turbos help to meet those standards WITHIN that testing regime. OUTSIDE the regime, in the real world for example, turbos produce VERY disappointing mileage numbers for the people that ACTUALLY use them.
I will dispute the idea of "VERY disappointing mileage numbers" in the real world. I know a lot of people with tubocharged BMWs and the like, and I do not know one person who is disappointed in the slightest with their MPG. In fact, the ones I know are elated, and their engines have better performance and better economy than the NA engines I have in my cars.
06-22-14, 10:09 AM
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Toyota's been making cars since 1936. Toyota is the auto company behind the Lexus brand. You may wish to read Dawson's Lexus:The Relentless Pursuit to learn how the Lexus brand was developed within Toyota. Amazon link is here.
06-22-14, 10:11 AM
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I dispute this. Manufacturers are using turbos to meet emission and fuel efficiency standards as per a well-defined test methodology. Turbos help to meet those standards WITHIN that testing regime. OUTSIDE the regime, in the real world for example, turbos produce VERY disappointing mileage numbers for the people that ACTUALLY use them. What I see on the horizon is a new turbo that restricts acceleration by careful control of the boost curve. Such "de-tuned" turbos could well meet BOTH government standards as well as real-world mileage expectations. The cost, of course, would be borne by those forced to purchase cars with underperforming engines compared to what is currently available in both NA and turbo flavors.
06-22-14, 10:20 AM
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So just who is comparing "brands" to "companies?"
06-22-14, 10:25 AM
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06-22-14, 10:30 AM
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Here's one - ME! The N54 in my Z4 puts up some terrible mileage numbers. Of course, the car is almost always under either significant acceleration or deceleration. That might have something to do with the frequent fill-ups...