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4GS Achilles Heel - The Tranny

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Old 02-18-13, 02:34 AM
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Default 4GS Achilles Heel - The Tranny

Don't get me wrong - I love this car. It's by far the best car I've ever owned, and one of the best I've ever driven. Hands down. I love the deal I got on it, too.

That said, there is one thing that was really not done well, and it bugs the heck out of me when driving through traffic at highway speeds - the transmission. First, 6 speeds aren't enough in this class anymore. I never thought I'd say that, but it's true - if you're running an automatic, you've got to have 7, 8 or 9 when you're fighting the A6, E-Class and 3 Series. It's funny because Lexus was the first to market with an 8 speed (current LS, pre-face lift), so it's weird to see them put a 6 speed into the 2013 GS.

Second, and this could be different even with a 6 speed, the thing hunts and is just mapped horribly. It's fine for leisurely driving, but it's too unclear about what the right gear should be at any given time. I had really weird surging on the highway the other day after passing someone and returning to a steadier cruising speed (RPM spiked to 4500 during the pass, but then stayed there once I took my foot off the gas and coasted back down 15 mph to a speed it was comfortable handling at about 2200 RPM). I used cruise control for the past 2 days, and I watched the needle move back and forth from 2000 to 2800 ever couple of seconds. The car was sort of rocking the whole time.

Maybe my transmission needs a reprogramming, but I am guessing it doesn't. I think they all need one.

I'll put money on the major mechanical change for the mid-cycle facelift to this car being a new transmission with at least 7 speeds.

Anyone else agree? Disagree? Think mine is a dud?
Old 02-18-13, 03:49 AM
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What mode was the transmission in?

Normal/Sport/Sport+/Eco?

Was it also set to manual mode?
Old 02-18-13, 04:11 AM
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Sounds like Lexus needs to check your tranny. Mine shifts fine. I do agree it should have a 7 or 8 speed (9 seems like too much) but probably that will come next year. I was not impressed with the tranny in my LS460. My 8 speed seemed to hunt for the proper gear. Were you in S+ by chance.
Old 02-18-13, 06:23 AM
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Hey, sounds like you're in S or S+ based on what I'm hearing. I get the same in my car in those modes.

I personally don't have any complaints about the 6-speed. If an additional gear would give me better mileage, I'd be interested.. but given my mostly city driving I doubt it would.
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Maybe the software could be improved. I like to California stop maybe more than I should..in normal mode this confuses the transmission (it seems to lag for a moment thinking I am going to stop), in sport modes there is no issue. Shifting and feel seem good to me.

I agree with others that have mentioned higher gears in an 8 speed would help highway fuel economy. However this means the tranny will be constantly short shifting in city driving (an X3 I drove did this).

I think you just have to set the dial to the driving mode, if cruising go with normal mode.
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Disagree. I think you ought to have your transmission checked out by a Lexus Technician to see what the problem is. It may need reprogramming. I have none of the symptoms you are experiencing and my transmission is exceptionally smooth in all modes. I think the current transmission is very well suited to the GS. The LS is a much heavier car and benefits from a transmission with more gear options.
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i wouldnt be surprised if the 2014 GS350 gets the 8 speed like the IS350 is getting
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Doesn't this car learn our driving habits, and program accordingly?

Anything more than 6 is too many. If it's hunting and searching for the right gear now....why would adding 2 more gears make it easier to find the right gear?
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I also think the car will eventually get the 8 speed, but I have no issues with the 6 speed. Its a little jerky when getting on it after a 2-3MPH roll, but all Lexus transmissions are.
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Like most of the others, I've had the opposite experience (wouldn't mind the 8 if it was well-sorted).

But from my past experience with automatics (my old was was a manual TL so not a good comparison) the 4GS tranny seems to be easily controlled depending on how much throttle input you give.
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Originally Posted by jtrue28
Doesn't this car learn our driving habits, and program accordingly?

Anything more than 6 is too many. If it's hunting and searching for the right gear now....why would adding 2 more gears make it easier to find the right gear?
+1 if this car had anymore gears it would be hunting them everytime. My X5 does the same thing were if in sport mode it holds the gears when you step on the gas but if you let off quick it needs to adjust. If in normal mode it doesn't do any of that. I have had no issues with my tranny and it runs perfectly.
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i think the tranny is pretty legit, i love flooring it and it downshifting to 5k rpm (20 mph, 55-60 mph, and 75mph )
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Originally Posted by bigblack06
+1 if this car had anymore gears it would be hunting them everytime. My X5 does the same thing were if in sport mode it holds the gears when you step on the gas but if you let off quick it needs to adjust. If in normal mode it doesn't do any of that. I have had no issues with my tranny and it runs perfectly.
Agreed. I love the 6AT in my GS F Sport.
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Originally Posted by bdizfiz
I used cruise control for the past 2 days, and I watched the needle move back and forth from 2000 to 2800 ever couple of seconds. The car was sort of rocking the whole time.
Mine exhibits this same behavior in cruise control on the highway. Seen this in both Normal and Eco modes.
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Originally Posted by jtrue28
Anything more than 6 is too many.
that was said about 3, 4, 5 gears too. i think the 8 speed will really improve the already excellent 4GS drivetrain.


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