When will there be a V8 engine for the 4th generation GS?
02-15-13, 12:11 PM
#46
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I love V-8s but some things to ponder...
In the U.K, Ferrari sold more V-12 599s than BMW 550 sedans.
Infiniti has the M56 with 420hp and it sells awfully.
Hyundai has a V-8 Genesis and they have really made the V-8 a basic option since the take rate is plummeting.
There is a strong rumor the next E class will have a base V-6 and turbo V-6 and drop the V-8 until you get to the AMG models.
Caddy has a V-8 in the CTS-V only, no base V-8 model
While a GS 460 or GS 500 sounds logical it seems it wasn't worth the additional development cost. The V-6 is pretty perfectly balanced as it is and adding 100 more hp and torque would need suspension changes for reviews to be as strong. If anyone has driven a M56, its a powerful V-8 that doesn't seem matched with the chassis. If you have driven the 535 or 550 the 535 does a pretty good job keeping up.
Audi seems to be onto something with smaller V-8s (I think the new one is a 4.0) with boost. Not sure of the take rate though.
In the U.K, Ferrari sold more V-12 599s than BMW 550 sedans.
Infiniti has the M56 with 420hp and it sells awfully.
Hyundai has a V-8 Genesis and they have really made the V-8 a basic option since the take rate is plummeting.
There is a strong rumor the next E class will have a base V-6 and turbo V-6 and drop the V-8 until you get to the AMG models.
Caddy has a V-8 in the CTS-V only, no base V-8 model
While a GS 460 or GS 500 sounds logical it seems it wasn't worth the additional development cost. The V-6 is pretty perfectly balanced as it is and adding 100 more hp and torque would need suspension changes for reviews to be as strong. If anyone has driven a M56, its a powerful V-8 that doesn't seem matched with the chassis. If you have driven the 535 or 550 the 535 does a pretty good job keeping up.
Audi seems to be onto something with smaller V-8s (I think the new one is a 4.0) with boost. Not sure of the take rate though.
02-15-13, 12:21 PM
#47
02-15-13, 01:09 PM
#48
I love V-8s but some things to ponder...
In the U.K, Ferrari sold more V-12 599s than BMW 550 sedans.
Infiniti has the M56 with 420hp and it sells awfully.
Hyundai has a V-8 Genesis and they have really made the V-8 a basic option since the take rate is plummeting.
There is a strong rumor the next E class will have a base V-6 and turbo V-6 and drop the V-8 until you get to the AMG models.
Caddy has a V-8 in the CTS-V only, no base V-8 model
While a GS 460 or GS 500 sounds logical it seems it wasn't worth the additional development cost. The V-6 is pretty perfectly balanced as it is and adding 100 more hp and torque would need suspension changes for reviews to be as strong. If anyone has driven a M56, its a powerful V-8 that doesn't seem matched with the chassis. If you have driven the 535 or 550 the 535 does a pretty good job keeping up.
Audi seems to be onto something with smaller V-8s (I think the new one is a 4.0) with boost. Not sure of the take rate though.
In the U.K, Ferrari sold more V-12 599s than BMW 550 sedans.
Infiniti has the M56 with 420hp and it sells awfully.
Hyundai has a V-8 Genesis and they have really made the V-8 a basic option since the take rate is plummeting.
There is a strong rumor the next E class will have a base V-6 and turbo V-6 and drop the V-8 until you get to the AMG models.
Caddy has a V-8 in the CTS-V only, no base V-8 model
While a GS 460 or GS 500 sounds logical it seems it wasn't worth the additional development cost. The V-6 is pretty perfectly balanced as it is and adding 100 more hp and torque would need suspension changes for reviews to be as strong. If anyone has driven a M56, its a powerful V-8 that doesn't seem matched with the chassis. If you have driven the 535 or 550 the 535 does a pretty good job keeping up.
Audi seems to be onto something with smaller V-8s (I think the new one is a 4.0) with boost. Not sure of the take rate though.
02-15-13, 06:33 PM
#50
Hey guys, the "rumour" about them replacing the V8 (non-AMG) E-class is pretty certain now. So like Blueprint said, I think it'll be unlikely there'll be a V-8 GS (aside from the potential for a GS-F).
We'll see if BMW follows suit, but it looks like V8s are on their way out in this segment. In Canada Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar and Lexus don't have them (aside from their AMG/S type models). Only BMW and Infiniti seem to still be carrying the torch, and I bet Infiniti will bow out soon.
We'll see if BMW follows suit, but it looks like V8s are on their way out in this segment. In Canada Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar and Lexus don't have them (aside from their AMG/S type models). Only BMW and Infiniti seem to still be carrying the torch, and I bet Infiniti will bow out soon.
02-15-13, 06:51 PM
#51
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Hey guys, the "rumour" about them replacing the V8 (non-AMG) E-class is pretty certain now. So like Blueprint said, I think it'll be unlikely there'll be a V-8 GS (aside from the potential for a GS-F).
We'll see if BMW follows suit, but it looks like V8s are on their way out in this segment. In Canada Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar and Lexus don't have them (aside from their AMG/S type models). Only BMW and Infiniti seem to still be carrying the torch, and I bet Infiniti will bow out soon.
We'll see if BMW follows suit, but it looks like V8s are on their way out in this segment. In Canada Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar and Lexus don't have them (aside from their AMG/S type models). Only BMW and Infiniti seem to still be carrying the torch, and I bet Infiniti will bow out soon.
02-15-13, 09:22 PM
#52
I love V-8s but some things to ponder...
In the U.K, Ferrari sold more V-12 599s than BMW 550 sedans.
Infiniti has the M56 with 420hp and it sells awfully.
Hyundai has a V-8 Genesis and they have really made the V-8 a basic option since the take rate is plummeting.
There is a strong rumor the next E class will have a base V-6 and turbo V-6 and drop the V-8 until you get to the AMG models.
Caddy has a V-8 in the CTS-V only, no base V-8 model
While a GS 460 or GS 500 sounds logical it seems it wasn't worth the additional development cost. The V-6 is pretty perfectly balanced as it is and adding 100 more hp and torque would need suspension changes for reviews to be as strong. If anyone has driven a M56, its a powerful V-8 that doesn't seem matched with the chassis. If you have driven the 535 or 550 the 535 does a pretty good job keeping up.
Audi seems to be onto something with smaller V-8s (I think the new one is a 4.0) with boost. Not sure of the take rate though.
In the U.K, Ferrari sold more V-12 599s than BMW 550 sedans.
Infiniti has the M56 with 420hp and it sells awfully.
Hyundai has a V-8 Genesis and they have really made the V-8 a basic option since the take rate is plummeting.
There is a strong rumor the next E class will have a base V-6 and turbo V-6 and drop the V-8 until you get to the AMG models.
Caddy has a V-8 in the CTS-V only, no base V-8 model
While a GS 460 or GS 500 sounds logical it seems it wasn't worth the additional development cost. The V-6 is pretty perfectly balanced as it is and adding 100 more hp and torque would need suspension changes for reviews to be as strong. If anyone has driven a M56, its a powerful V-8 that doesn't seem matched with the chassis. If you have driven the 535 or 550 the 535 does a pretty good job keeping up.
Audi seems to be onto something with smaller V-8s (I think the new one is a 4.0) with boost. Not sure of the take rate though.
. but i'm satisfied with the V6 we have.
02-15-13, 10:27 PM
#53
I guess we all can "Rationalize" why we don't need a V8 so you can feel better that Lexus and other Lux brand don't have a V8, while Chevrolet Impala SS is coming out with the RWD V8 with 415 HP.. -- https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...vrolet-ss.html
02-16-13, 01:11 PM
#54
Guess its back to sports cars or American muscle at this rate.
you just can't replace what a V8 has to offer. The 3gen GS didn't sell well with the V8 because the numbers were to close. That V8 had so much more to offer and they held back. But I guess the days are over...
at least its nice from rear
you just can't replace what a V8 has to offer. The 3gen GS didn't sell well with the V8 because the numbers were to close. That V8 had so much more to offer and they held back. But I guess the days are over...
at least its nice from rear
02-16-13, 01:24 PM
#55
Guess its back to sports cars or American muscle at this rate.
you just can't replace what a V8 has to offer. The 3gen GS didn't sell well with the V8 because the numbers were to close. That V8 had so much more to offer and they held back. But I guess the days are over...
at least its nice from rear
you just can't replace what a V8 has to offer. The 3gen GS didn't sell well with the V8 because the numbers were to close. That V8 had so much more to offer and they held back. But I guess the days are over...
at least its nice from rear
I guess, i'll never see a 400-500HP Lexus GS as I always hoped. I guess its back to Muscle cars since the ZL1 Camaro, Mustang Shelby and new Corvette is out now.. Back to the basics to get the V8 power we want.
02-16-13, 02:19 PM
#56
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No one is rationalizing the V-8. I love them and wished it offered it. I still have a 430. For me personally I don't have much desire for a non GS F v-8. Been there and done that twice. The IS F appeals to me as a possible GS F. The GS 450h F sport is appealing.
The other thing is the German V-8s are tuneable and Lexus gives us uncrackable ECUs
The other thing is the German V-8s are tuneable and Lexus gives us uncrackable ECUs
02-17-13, 08:12 AM
#58
Here's hoping. For now, the only thing keeping me true to my "I bought my 4GS for 10 years" is the fact that there is no GS-F. Introduce a GS-F and I might throw that out the window.
On that note, I hope this fictional GS-F is AWD like the latest E63.
02-17-13, 11:24 AM
#59
Guess its back to sports cars or American muscle at this rate.
you just can't replace what a V8 has to offer. The 3gen GS didn't sell well with the V8 because the numbers were to close. That V8 had so much more to offer and they held back. But I guess the days are over...
at least its nice from rear
you just can't replace what a V8 has to offer. The 3gen GS didn't sell well with the V8 because the numbers were to close. That V8 had so much more to offer and they held back. But I guess the days are over...
at least its nice from rear
02-17-13, 04:01 PM
#60
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by iggyhop9
True, but I don't a GS has ever deserved a V8 more than this one. The 3GS was exactly a driver's car and this 4GS is a class leader. Also, I do see more GS400s than 300s. I think that speaks to that gen of the GS more than the market for it.
Its a different world today than it was when the 2GS was out.