4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
12-09-09, 12:37 PM
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12-09-09, 12:42 PM
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The main problem with the HS250h is that it still uses an age-old 2.4L, much like the RX400h, whose performance and fuel economy figures just weren't very compelling against the cheaper RX350. They need to switch to the 2.5L with dual VVT-i and add direct injection to it, so that they can be competitive with...um...Hyundai.
12-09-09, 12:45 PM
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I also agree with other posters that the V8 GS is desired, even if in small numbers, for prestige reasons. However, I can see them dropping it if a comparable hybrid comes in there, say GS 380h.
12-09-09, 12:48 PM
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Yes, I agree, just that if there's a GS 350, buyers might get confused if a GS 350h is being sold at the same time.
I also agree with other posters that the V8 GS is desired, even if in small numbers, for prestige reasons. However, I can see them dropping it if a comparable hybrid comes in there, say GS 380h.
I also agree with other posters that the V8 GS is desired, even if in small numbers, for prestige reasons. However, I can see them dropping it if a comparable hybrid comes in there, say GS 380h.
12-09-09, 12:54 PM
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So either the hybrid has to do less or the V-8 has to do more.....
Quite frankly maybe the report is mixing up the GS-F with the next GS 500 or whatever that might replace the 460.
GS 250h
GS 300
GS 350
GS 450h
GS 500
GS 600h
GS-F
Who knows!
12-09-09, 01:01 PM
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Yeah, if we ignore the '2.5L hybrid' in the MT article for a moment, it's possible to consider a GS 250/350/450h/F lineup.
That would a 1 liter difference between the engine sizes for the most part, and a simple 2-3-4-5 differentiation. The GS 350 is continuing, the 450h continues, and the 450h takes over for the V8 category just as the 600h does for the LS V12 one.
Considering Lexus' penchant for evolving while maintaining prior aspects of earlier generations, having a new 350 and a new 450h makes sense to me, while adding a 250 for displacement-sensitive markets, and an F model; dropping the 460 for a better-performing 450h seems like a Lexus-style solution. That's also assuming requisite enhancements in packaging, battery, etc, but if they can do a la RX 450h...
That would a 1 liter difference between the engine sizes for the most part, and a simple 2-3-4-5 differentiation. The GS 350 is continuing, the 450h continues, and the 450h takes over for the V8 category just as the 600h does for the LS V12 one.
Considering Lexus' penchant for evolving while maintaining prior aspects of earlier generations, having a new 350 and a new 450h makes sense to me, while adding a 250 for displacement-sensitive markets, and an F model; dropping the 460 for a better-performing 450h seems like a Lexus-style solution. That's also assuming requisite enhancements in packaging, battery, etc, but if they can do a la RX 450h...
12-09-09, 01:05 PM
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Well Lexus does have a problem that the current 450h/460 are near in price and acceleration and MPG.....
So either the hybrid has to do less or the V-8 has to do more.....
Quite frankly maybe the report is mixing up the GS-F with the next GS 500 or whatever that might replace the 460.
GS 250h
GS 300
GS 350
GS 450h
GS 500
GS 600h
GS-F
Who knows!
So either the hybrid has to do less or the V-8 has to do more.....
Quite frankly maybe the report is mixing up the GS-F with the next GS 500 or whatever that might replace the 460.
GS 250h
GS 300
GS 350
GS 450h
GS 500
GS 600h
GS-F
Who knows!
GS 350 (current engine reworked and revised to produce 320hp)
GS 500 (retuned IS-F engine with more torque to move the bigger GS. 400hp)
GS 500h (3.5L with lithium ion batteries and RX style electric motors producing in excess of 80hp. total output 400hp)
GS F (supercharged IS-F engine. 500+hp)
It's that simple, and MT is just trying to get web traffic spewing disinformation. They were the same people rumoring that the 2009 Acura RL was going to get a turbocharged V6
12-09-09, 01:12 PM
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I think the MT article is BS. Lexus is too smart to kill the GS V8. They obviously see the failure called the RL. The RL is failing because it has no V8. Lexus needs a V6, V8, V6 hybrid, and an F GS simple as that.
GS 350 (current engine reworked and revised to produce 320hp)
GS 500 (retuned IS-F engine with more torque to move the bigger GS. 400hp)
GS 500h (3.5L with lithium ion batteries and RX style electric motors producing in excess of 80hp. total output 400hp)
GS F (supercharged IS-F engine. 500+hp)
It's that simple, and MT is just trying to get web traffic spewing disinformation. They were the same people rumoring that the 2009 Acura RL was going to get a turbocharged V6
GS 350 (current engine reworked and revised to produce 320hp)
GS 500 (retuned IS-F engine with more torque to move the bigger GS. 400hp)
GS 500h (3.5L with lithium ion batteries and RX style electric motors producing in excess of 80hp. total output 400hp)
GS F (supercharged IS-F engine. 500+hp)
It's that simple, and MT is just trying to get web traffic spewing disinformation. They were the same people rumoring that the 2009 Acura RL was going to get a turbocharged V6
12-09-09, 01:15 PM
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This is another reason that I doubt this will happen. And also the GS NEEDS a V8 in order for Lexus to introduce an ES hybrid. If the GS has no V8 then there would be no difference between it and the GS and Lexus likely wouldn't make a hybrid version of the ES. The ES can't get a 250h type hybrid because of the HS.
12-09-09, 01:16 PM
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Yeah, if we ignore the '2.5L hybrid' in the MT article for a moment, it's possible to consider a GS 250/350/450h/F lineup.
That would a 1 liter difference between the engine sizes for the most part, and a simple 2-3-4-5 differentiation. The GS 350 is continuing, the 450h continues, and the 450h takes over for the V8 category just as the 600h does for the LS V12 one.
Considering Lexus' penchant for evolving while maintaining prior aspects of earlier generations, having a new 350 and a new 450h makes sense to me, while adding a 250 for displacement-sensitive markets, and an F model; dropping the 460 for a better-performing 450h seems like a Lexus-style solution. That's also assuming requisite enhancements in packaging, battery, etc, but if they can do a la RX 450h...
That would a 1 liter difference between the engine sizes for the most part, and a simple 2-3-4-5 differentiation. The GS 350 is continuing, the 450h continues, and the 450h takes over for the V8 category just as the 600h does for the LS V12 one.
Considering Lexus' penchant for evolving while maintaining prior aspects of earlier generations, having a new 350 and a new 450h makes sense to me, while adding a 250 for displacement-sensitive markets, and an F model; dropping the 460 for a better-performing 450h seems like a Lexus-style solution. That's also assuming requisite enhancements in packaging, battery, etc, but if they can do a la RX 450h...
12-09-09, 01:18 PM
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I think the MT article is BS. Lexus is too smart to kill the GS V8. They obviously see the failure called the RL. The RL is failing because it has no V8. Lexus needs a V6, V8, V6 hybrid, and an F GS simple as that.
GS 350 (current engine reworked and revised to produce 320hp)
GS 500 (retuned IS-F engine with more torque to move the bigger GS. 400hp)
GS 500h (3.5L with lithium ion batteries and RX style electric motors producing in excess of 80hp. total output 400hp)
GS F (supercharged IS-F engine. 500+hp)
It's that simple, and MT is just trying to get web traffic spewing disinformation. They were the same people rumoring that the 2009 Acura RL was going to get a turbocharged V6
GS 350 (current engine reworked and revised to produce 320hp)
GS 500 (retuned IS-F engine with more torque to move the bigger GS. 400hp)
GS 500h (3.5L with lithium ion batteries and RX style electric motors producing in excess of 80hp. total output 400hp)
GS F (supercharged IS-F engine. 500+hp)
It's that simple, and MT is just trying to get web traffic spewing disinformation. They were the same people rumoring that the 2009 Acura RL was going to get a turbocharged V6
12-09-09, 01:20 PM
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The 3GS V-8 at 3700lbs is great actually, no more than the 2GS while gaining a lot more tech and features. A 4GS surely will gain weight. I don't believe any of this carbon fiber talk from MT.
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460-3,836 lb (1,740 kg) 350 AWD-3,969 lb (1,755 kg) 350-3,704 lb
FYI 450h is 4120 lbs....and having weighed it myself, this is accurate
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460-3,836 lb (1,740 kg) 350 AWD-3,969 lb (1,755 kg) 350-3,704 lb
FYI 450h is 4120 lbs....and having weighed it myself, this is accurate
12-09-09, 01:21 PM
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The LS is a good competent V8 sedan the IS-F is a good competent V8 sedan so Lexus can do and with a little bit of effort master a V8 GS. As far as supercharging, TRD has supercharged nearly every Toyota engine. TRD even supercharged the 5.7L V8 engine in the LX, Sequioa, and Tundra to over 504 horsepower and 550 ft lb of torque. They could easily supercharge the IS-F engine to over 500 hp and have a VERY competent GS-F. I would think that supercharging that engine would be CHEAPER than using carbon fiber to lighten the car.
12-09-09, 01:22 PM
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