View Poll Results: How do you feel about the exterior styling of the GS(ONLY THE EXTERIOR DESIGN)?
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Love it or Hate it: New GS DESIGN
03-05-05, 12:19 AM
#31
Lexus Connoisseur
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I just read this and if you just said the GS is slightly better than 99 ES, sorry, you killed all your crediblity. Your review is almost the exact opposite of every professional review.
Originally Posted by reggiek
As for looks.....don't know how they're going to get a sideskirt on with that chrome moulding beneath the doors.
In addition the points that stood out to me were like the reference to the 245hp that felt like 170hp. Hands down, the new 3GR-FSE V6 will hand a 2JZ-GE powered GS, SC w/only a 4spd or 5spd ECT auto as well as a 5spd manual fitted SC3. The new GS300 will even outrun my 5spd ECT-i 2JZ-GE IS300. The 245hp is definitely evident and shows it's liveliness when ECT PWR mode is selected. I think the average person will jump in the new GS not knowing the different ECT control types and bash the car for being a dog in ECT NORM mode not being responsive enough.
I find it hard that the new GS300 is floaty in the curves. An all stock 92-96 SC300 is absolutely floaty in the curves compared to the new GS300. I even pointed out how tight the suspension is on the new GS compared to my sport tuned OEM IS300 suspension w/the aide of L-Tuned sways. So in reality my assessment of the car in my previous write up echoes the sentiments of the professional journalists.
Last edited by flipside909; 03-05-05 at 12:27 AM.
03-05-05, 04:13 AM
#32
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I just read this and if you just said the GS is slightly better than 99 ES, sorry, you killed all your crediblity. Your review is almost the exact opposite of every professional review.
It's not my credibility that's in question. You have your taste and I have mine. You have your opinions and I have mine. I agree with you sometimes. I disagree with you sometimes. The times I disagree, I didn't challenge your credibility but it's all good. That's your opinion.
03-05-05, 04:24 AM
#33
Originally Posted by flipside909
Hehe...the review was biased to begin with, and the facts aren't there to back up the statements.
It's not very hard to go back to the photos and/or go to the car directly and actually look at what actually is real and what is made up with just a few words.
In addition the points that stood out to me were like the reference to the 245hp that felt like 170hp. Hands down, the new 3GR-FSE V6 will hand a 2JZ-GE powered GS, SC w/only a 4spd or 5spd ECT auto as well as a 5spd manual fitted SC3. The new GS300 will even outrun my 5spd ECT-i 2JZ-GE IS300. The 245hp is definitely evident and shows it's liveliness when ECT PWR mode is selected. I think the average person will jump in the new GS not knowing the different ECT control types and bash the car for being a dog in ECT NORM mode not being responsive enough.
I find it hard that the new GS300 is floaty in the curves. An all stock 92-96 SC300 is absolutely floaty in the curves compared to the new GS300. I even pointed out how tight the suspension is on the new GS compared to my sport tuned OEM IS300 suspension w/the aide of L-Tuned sways. So in reality my assessment of the car in my previous write up echoes the sentiments of the professional journalists.
It's not very hard to go back to the photos and/or go to the car directly and actually look at what actually is real and what is made up with just a few words.
In addition the points that stood out to me were like the reference to the 245hp that felt like 170hp. Hands down, the new 3GR-FSE V6 will hand a 2JZ-GE powered GS, SC w/only a 4spd or 5spd ECT auto as well as a 5spd manual fitted SC3. The new GS300 will even outrun my 5spd ECT-i 2JZ-GE IS300. The 245hp is definitely evident and shows it's liveliness when ECT PWR mode is selected. I think the average person will jump in the new GS not knowing the different ECT control types and bash the car for being a dog in ECT NORM mode not being responsive enough.
I find it hard that the new GS300 is floaty in the curves. An all stock 92-96 SC300 is absolutely floaty in the curves compared to the new GS300. I even pointed out how tight the suspension is on the new GS compared to my sport tuned OEM IS300 suspension w/the aide of L-Tuned sways. So in reality my assessment of the car in my previous write up echoes the sentiments of the professional journalists.
The part about the sc being floaty? I don't know what sc's you've been driving but mine never was floaty. A wide, low, sqatted coupe can never be as floaty than a tall sedan. My review is biased because I comparing my modded suspension sc with a stock gs. I was just hoping with all the new technology, the new gs would come with a more sport tuned suspension....since they call the car a sporty sedan. So it's unfair to compare but it means the gs is floaty...IMO.
My es does have wider and better quality tires, that also means a lot in handling. So yes, my review is biased but that doesn't it's way off the planet. Just means the new gs needs to be modded....just like the old gs did. The journalist compare the new stock gs to the old stock gs. That doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I don't drive stock. Never have. Never. That means they are right, it probably is better than the old one....but not good enough for me. I'm sure it will be great when modded. Still...stock gs vs stock sc. How can anyone say the gs would be better?
Last edited by Ice350; 03-05-05 at 04:30 AM.
03-05-05, 06:20 AM
#34
Lexus Connoisseur
Originally Posted by reggiek
I don't understand what you're saying in the first part so I wont comment on that part.
Originally Posted by reggiek
As for looks.....don't know how they're going to get a sideskirt on with that chrome moulding beneath the doors.
The part about the sc being floaty? I don't know what sc's you've been driving but mine never was floaty.
A wide, low, sqatted coupe can never be as floaty than a tall sedan. My review is biased because I comparing my modded suspension sc with a stock gs. I was just hoping with all the new technology, the new gs would come with a more sport tuned suspension....since they call the car a sporty sedan. So it's unfair to compare but it means the gs is floaty...IMO.
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My es does have wider and better quality tires, that also means a lot in handling. So yes, my review is biased but that doesn't it's way off the planet. Just means the new gs needs to be modded....just like the old gs did. . I'm sure it will be great when modded.[quote]
What size wheels/tires do you run on your ES? And are you on stock suspension with that?
Still...stock gs vs stock sc. How can anyone say the gs would be better?
03-05-05, 12:20 PM
#36
Lexus Connoisseur
Originally Posted by reggiek
I have driven both cars stock.....sc has a much sportier suspension.
03-05-05, 07:00 PM
#38
Super Moderator
I just saw the new GS in person up close today for the first time, they have a reception in my local dealership to officially show the car, & I must say I like it much more than I expected, it definately looks much better in person. With the exception of the taillights I think I now like the 3GS more than the 2GS inside & out, especially in the darker colours, the flint mica in the showroom looks great 
The car is beautifully finished inside & out as expected & all the new gadgets are awesome.The headlights treatment can be more aggressive but overall it's a very handsome looking car especially in darker colors.
I did a test drive with a GS300AWD, which is the only model available for test drives today. Due to the location of the dealer, I didn't have a chance to drive it too aggressively & push it too much. I didn't ask for a more lengthy drive further away since this is their only demo available today, & I' ve made it clear to the salesperson I'm not in the market for this car in the immediate future & I didn't want to spend too much of his time. I think it's a improvement over the previous model in terms of handling but still considerable body lean in cornering compared to my G35c. Since it's a 3.0 V6 of course it didn't have the kick of the SC430 & the G35c. Still I came away happier with the car than I expected, & looking forward to test drive the GS430 in the future.
The car is beautifully finished inside & out as expected & all the new gadgets are awesome.The headlights treatment can be more aggressive but overall it's a very handsome looking car especially in darker colors.I did a test drive with a GS300AWD, which is the only model available for test drives today. Due to the location of the dealer, I didn't have a chance to drive it too aggressively & push it too much. I didn't ask for a more lengthy drive further away since this is their only demo available today, & I' ve made it clear to the salesperson I'm not in the market for this car in the immediate future & I didn't want to spend too much of his time. I think it's a improvement over the previous model in terms of handling but still considerable body lean in cornering compared to my G35c. Since it's a 3.0 V6 of course it didn't have the kick of the SC430 & the G35c. Still I came away happier with the car than I expected, & looking forward to test drive the GS430 in the future.
Last edited by Gojirra99; 03-05-05 at 07:05 PM.
03-05-05, 07:50 PM
#39
Lexus Champion
Originally Posted by AmethySC
I just saw the new GS in person up close today for the first time, they have a reception in my local dealership to officially show the car, & I must say I like it much more than I expected, it definately looks much better in person. With the exception of the taillights I think I now like the 3GS more than the 2GS inside & out, especially in the darker colours, the flint mica in the showroom looks great The car is beautifully finished inside & out as expected & all the new gadgets are awesome.The headlights treatment can be more aggressive but overall it's a very handsome looking car especially in darker colors.
I did a test drive with a GS300AWD, which is the only model available for test drives today. Due to the location of the dealer, I didn't have a chance to drive it too aggressively & push it too much. I didn't ask for a more lengthy drive further away since this is their only demo available today, & I' ve made it clear to the salesperson I'm not in the market for this car in the immediate future & I didn't want to spend too much of his time. I think it's a improvement over the previous model in terms of handling but still considerable body lean in cornering compared to my G35c. Since it's a 3.0 V6 of course it didn't have the kick of the SC430 & the G35c. Still I came away happier with the car than I expected, & looking forward to test drive the GS430 in the future.
The car is beautifully finished inside & out as expected & all the new gadgets are awesome.The headlights treatment can be more aggressive but overall it's a very handsome looking car especially in darker colors.I did a test drive with a GS300AWD, which is the only model available for test drives today. Due to the location of the dealer, I didn't have a chance to drive it too aggressively & push it too much. I didn't ask for a more lengthy drive further away since this is their only demo available today, & I' ve made it clear to the salesperson I'm not in the market for this car in the immediate future & I didn't want to spend too much of his time. I think it's a improvement over the previous model in terms of handling but still considerable body lean in cornering compared to my G35c. Since it's a 3.0 V6 of course it didn't have the kick of the SC430 & the G35c. Still I came away happier with the car than I expected, & looking forward to test drive the GS430 in the future.
03-05-05, 07:56 PM
#40
Lexus Connoisseur
Originally Posted by reggiek
You act like one of those people that have to get the last word in a debate. I dare you to not reply.
Last edited by flipside909; 03-05-05 at 08:11 PM.
03-06-05, 07:18 AM
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I think the exterior is strong. The interior...
There's a pretty coolInfiniti M brochure in the new Motor Trend and I hate to say it, but that interior looked more Lexus-like to me.
There's a pretty coolInfiniti M brochure in the new Motor Trend and I hate to say it, but that interior looked more Lexus-like to me.
03-06-05, 07:42 AM
#42
Super Moderator
Originally Posted by L-Finesser
I think the exterior is strong. The interior...
There's a pretty coolInfiniti M brochure in the new Motor Trend and I hate to say it, but that interior looked more Lexus-like to me.
There's a pretty coolInfiniti M brochure in the new Motor Trend and I hate to say it, but that interior looked more Lexus-like to me.
Sit in both cars, touch & feel everything & examine the workmanship carefully, the beauty of Lexus cars is in the details . . .
03-06-05, 08:08 AM
#43
I decided on the M45 Sport
After waiting for Lexus to release the new GS430, I am somewhat dissapointed. I of course love the interior but the exterior is just not doing it for me. I was hoping that the term "Something wicked this way comes" would be part of the performance aspect of this car again. The Infiniti design seems more sporty, more aggressive. Please no flame throwers. I am a Lexus lover some of you may know that from the Sc430 forum. I will "play" with the Infiniti for the next three years and keep a close eye for the much talked about GS460 or redesigned Sc430.
Last edited by GLGTOY; 03-06-05 at 08:12 AM.
