Mike728

How are they lackluster? They were selling < 30k each year from 2009 through 2012. Since the redesign, they've been selling around 70k each year.

gemigniani

I see you are correct. I'm surprised because I don't see many 2013-14 Avalons on the road, but see quite a few of the previous generation.

dchar

Just saw an ad on tv for lease of Hyundai Genesis for only $299/month. That is a steal and would make me consider one to try for a few years, if I was in the market for an ES.

BrazLex

Unbelievable! Do you remember any mention to down payment?

airgas1998

that's the kicker at that rate i'm betting 3500/dn minimum....man that's an unreal monthly rate...

dchar

I think it was around $5400 due at signing to get the $299/month for 36 months, but this isn't including the $1500 conquest discount though. Compare it to the current lease special for a 2015 ES350 ($349/month, 36 months, $1999 due at signing) and probably much more on the soon to be released 2016 ES, trying the Genesis is enticing. Just have to get over the Hyundai badge and any reliablity issues. They supposedly treat their Genesis and Equus customers much better than Hyundai owners, but not sure if that's every dealer. Lots to think about for people in the market.

Mike728

When I had a Hyundai, some dealers were creating separate physical buildings for Equus sales and service. Genesis was not included with them, at the time. Maybe things have changed.

Vihzel

I think the Genesis is a really fantastic car for Hyundai. I've seen it in person on the street and at the NY Auto Show and it definitely has presence and luxury. The thing that killed it for me was the low mpg. If they developed a hybrid version of it, I would have definitely considered it.

lsher

I owned a 2008 ES and traded it in for a 2013 ES and traded that in for a 2015 Genesis. I leased the Genesis AWD for $389 for three years and no money down. It was too good a deal to pass up. I will compare and contrast both cars. This is by no means an exhaustive list.

I like the looks of all three cars, but I do think that the Genesis looks the best. Inside the Genesis is nice, and the dash layout and button placements are better then the ES. The Genesis rides and handles better. It is smoother in turns. The mileage on the Genesis lags behind the ES, but I do have AWD on the Genesis and this needs to be factored in. I get about 21 MPG in mixed driving. The 10K oil change on the ES is nice compared to 7,500 recommended on the Genesis.

The placement of the USB port on the Genesis is not in the glove box, it is at arms reach, and this works much better than in the ES. The radio seems to pick up stations better in the Genesis.

Paint seems to be much better on the Genesis. The front of both ES's had many chips on the front end. The front end of the Genesis looks untouched.

The blind spot monitor on the Genesis is not as good. For example, on the Genesis when I am making a left turn and I have my turn signal on in a double left turn lane, as I make the turn a get a warning someone is in the blind spot. On the ES if the turn signal is on I think I remember that the ES disables the blind spot warning so you don't get a warning you don't need. This warning on my Genesis always alarms my passengers.

The trunk on the Genesis will open if you stand behind it for a few seconds. This feature is a Godsend and the ES needs this. The Genesis has a large hook that you can pull down and I am able to place a good number of plastic grocery bags on it. The cargo net in the ES is excellent and I was able to place a lot of goods in the net. The cargo net in the Genesis is less useful, it lays flat on the floor of the trunk.

The rain sensing wipers in the 2013 ES were perfectly tuned. The 2008 ES wipers were not as well tuned, but they were not bad. The rain sensing wipers in the Genesis are not as good as even the 2008 ES and need a lot of adjusting by the user.

Both are excellent cars. I might come back to the ES in the next generation, it is just too soon to tell. I also would not hesitate to get another Genesis.

airgas1998

thank you very much...nice to see a former es owner do a comparo.

Maikerusan

Just took a look on the Genesis forums as I had been cross shopping the ES and Lexus earlier this year (and bought the Lexus).

Plenty of complaints by 2015 owners, particularly on vibration/tire issues plus some other complaints (transmission, panoramic sunroof).