Originally Posted by gnm313
I also questioned the guy on the difference on the 300h. He said the only suspension difference is a bar which runs across the back to add additional support for the batteries. I suspect the sound/ride difference on the 300h would be similar with 17" vs 18" as it is just less rubber on the pavement.
gnm313, I'm guessing your sales guy has no idea too. When i bought my 300h, none of the sales people on the floor were aware of the different suspensions.
Originally Posted by lesz
While there appears, from the part numbers posted in this thread, that there are two different sets of suspension parts used with the ES depending on whether it is an ES 350 with 18 inch wheels, an ES 350 with 17 inch wheels, or and ES 300h, I see nothing in any documentation from Lexus that would indicate that one of those sets of suspension parts creates a firmer suspension/ride quality than the other. While I know that the ES with 18 inch wheels has a firmer ride quality than does the ES with 17 inch wheels, I suspect that the difference in ride quality is the result of the differences in wheel and tire size and not the result of one having a firmer suspension than the other.
Here we go with the speculations again...
Hmmm... Let's see...
1) You got a guy who owned both vehicles telling you the suspensions are different and took the 300h back to the dealer.
2) You got the general manager at the lexus dealership who verified the different suspensions and took the car back.
3) Prior to taking the matter to the general manager, i had a call with Lexus Corporate on speaker phone to verify the different suspensions with the sales guy who was clueless.
4) You got another guy complaining about the stiff ride on the 300h.
5) Then, there is the Lexus parts catalog that shows the different parts. Not some random catalog that Joe Schmo wrote but a Genuie Lexus Parts Catalog. And NO, it does not "APPEAR" to be different. They ARE different. Its two different parts with two different part numbers.
What more valid documentation do you need other than the Lexus Parts Catalog?
6) Then there are online reviews that supports this:
Official Sticky on this forum for ES350 and ES300h reviews thread (5th paragraph, OP):
"Lexus expects the hybrid to lure younger buyers, so its suspension is tuned for sharper, crisper handling. "
"DRIVING EXPERIENCE" (All the way down the page)
"The ride quality in the ES 350 is pure Lexus. Smooth, predictable, even-keeled and luxurious. See that pothole – but don’t feel it much. But the suspension is noticeably tighter in the ES 300h, probably owing to the placement of the heavy battery array. Bumps are felt more, but handling seems better in corners."
Whatever man, you can believe whatever you want.
There is no cure for stupidity anyway...