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Old 02-19-13, 12:04 AM   #1
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Default 2013 Lexus ES 300h & 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid

Despite the fact that the 2013 ES 300h & the 2013 Avalon share some characteristics. They're two totally different vehicles. Starting with the not so obvious, the chassis code. The ESh is AVV60 & the Avalon Hybrid AVX40. The share the exact same wheelbase and powertrain and similar suspension components, but the similarities stop there.

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Old 02-19-13, 01:08 AM   #2
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I examined both cars at the Reno auto show a few weeks ago and I thought the ES had a notch richer and more luxurious interior than the Avalon and less hard plastic (e.g. the backs of the front seats of the Avalon had a large piece of hard plastic). The ES also had some subtle mechanical refinements like front and rear doors that opened and closed noticably more effortlessly. And the doors on the ES closed with a deeper "thud". I really liked the crystal clear gauges of the ES's instruments. Overall the ES conveyed a pleasing feeling of "understated elegance" like the original 1990 LS400 had whereas the Avalon was more flashy and attention getting in a wierd kind of way; e.g. the wide mouth fish look of the front end and the odd curves and shapes of the dash.
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I have driven both for my father and they are very similar in ride but feel and touch are a little different the ES is def more refined and conservative while the Avalon is a little more bold. I like the side of the Avalon but the ES has a better front and rear I think. Thats the best example of the Avalon front a fish wide opening mouth.
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The rear doors are very different.
The ES is much larger for easy access.
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I've read several reviews that favorably compared the new Avalon to the ES. Even in the area of interior refinement, quietness etc..

As in most cases it comes down to personal preference, budget, availability etc.

Both cars are finding their market and seem to be selling well.
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The rear doors are very different.
The ES is much larger for easy access.
Actually they're not that much different. The Avalon's C-pillar is a bit more raked than the ES, which gives it more room for a quarter window. The quarter window on the ES is mounted on the door which makes the back door glass smaller.
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Saw an Avalon for the first time yesterday. I think it was black or dark blue. Looked pretty good. But in pics, in light colors, that lower grill reminds me of a pig's snout.
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Last week I test drove an ES300h and enjoyed the experience. My intent was to immediately drive an Avalon Hybrid at the Toyota dealership next door, but none were available. I was able to sit in a conventionally powered version to assess the interior; not my cup of tea from a style and quality standard. Next vehicle will be an ES or similar competitor.
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Update: Purchased an ES300h last evening. The Toyota dealership never attempted a follow-up call to arrange an Avalon hybrid test drive. I really wasn't interested, but the next-door Lexus sales advisor was diligent without being overbearing; this may have made the difference had I been on the fence!
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Update: Purchased an ES300h last evening. The Toyota dealership never attempted a follow-up call to arrange an Avalon hybrid test drive. I really wasn't interested, but the next-door Lexus sales advisor was diligent without being overbearing; this may have made the difference had I been on the fence!
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Saw an Avalon for the first time yesterday. I think it was black or dark blue. Looked pretty good. But in pics, in light colors, that lower grill reminds me of a pig's snout.
Definitely the mouth is stolen from a Peugeot
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Update: Purchased an ES300h last evening. The Toyota dealership never attempted a follow-up call to arrange an Avalon hybrid test drive. I really wasn't interested, but the next-door Lexus sales advisor was diligent without being overbearing; this may have made the difference had I been on the fence!
Congratulations. I've had the same experience from the Toyota dealer and Lexus. Another difference and reason why Lexus is a cut above the other dealers and auto manufacturers. Art
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In January Toyota sold a total of 5,100 ES and 4,800 Avalon's. Both were up considerably vs. Jan 2012.

I'm sure they are pleased with both results. That's nearly 10k cars total for the month!
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Possibly because of supply of vehicles due to the shortage and damage in asia two years ago. What was their sales in Jan. 2012?
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2,400 ES and 3,200 Avalon's in Jan 2012. Probably both previous gen outgoing models? I'm sure the storm damage had an effect too.
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