2013 Avalon Hybrid or 2013 ES300h Hybrid?
12-04-12, 02:49 PM
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Most likely the ES would be built in the Lexus Canadian plant along side the RX. The RX sells 2 to 1 compared to the ES. The ES is the most selling sedan Lexus produces.
12-04-12, 05:21 PM
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I drove the 2013 Avalon the other day (not hybrid) and then drove the ES 350 and they may be on the same platform, but they feel much different. The outside of the Avalon is very nice, but the inside and the way it drives just reminds us too much of our 2012 Camry. Then driving the ES 350, what a difference.
The cabin of the Avalon just feels cheap looking, while the cabin of the ES 350 looks so much more refined.
As you can probably tell, we got the Lexus last night. No regrets, it's much nicer than the Avalon.
The cabin of the Avalon just feels cheap looking, while the cabin of the ES 350 looks so much more refined.
As you can probably tell, we got the Lexus last night. No regrets, it's much nicer than the Avalon.
12-04-12, 10:57 PM
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I'd make the Avalon vs ES350 decision based on examining the two cars side by side at an Autoshow; especially the seats. Avalon might have larger, more softy padded seats because it targets an older buyer segment. Then I'd take both cars on a test drive. Avalon might be more softy sprung and have a more compliant, bump absorbing ride. ES350 might feel a little more solid and substantial IF it actually has more structural reinforcements and vibration dampening.
Lookswise I like the ES350 front end. Dislike the wide mouth bass look of the Avalon's front end. With regard to rear ends it amazes me how similar the ES350 and GS350 looks as compared to the Hyundai Sonata. Many times while driving I think I have spotted an 2013 ES350 or GS350 only to later find out it was a Hyundai Sonata!
12-05-12, 05:39 AM
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Whatever sells, they are making inroads.
12-05-12, 05:45 AM
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I drove the 2013 Avalon the other day (not hybrid) and then drove the ES 350 and they may be on the same platform, but they feel much different. The outside of the Avalon is very nice, but the inside and the way it drives just reminds us too much of our 2012 Camry. Then driving the ES 350, what a difference.
The cabin of the Avalon just feels cheap looking, while the cabin of the ES 350 looks so much more refined.
As you can probably tell, we got the Lexus last night. No regrets, it's much nicer than the Avalon.
The cabin of the Avalon just feels cheap looking, while the cabin of the ES 350 looks so much more refined.
As you can probably tell, we got the Lexus last night. No regrets, it's much nicer than the Avalon.
You will like the ES350.
12-05-12, 12:28 PM
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This is because Hyundai is a very prolific copy-cat company. Your observation is spot on - many Korean auto manufacturers seem to mimic the latest entries from their competition. Some have Beamer or Merc-like tail lights; other seem to have front ends that could have been made in Japan or the States.
Whatever sells, they are making inroads.
Whatever sells, they are making inroads.
Huyndai as a company may be a copycat but the new designs (Sonata included) are very original..
12-05-12, 06:14 PM
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12-06-12, 03:29 AM
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You may be right, but let's not forget that Toyota and Lexus are still competing brands. I doubt very much that Toyota would go agree to go cheap on their flagship car just to please the Lexus gang.
12-06-12, 06:20 AM
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I think Toyota still has complimentary maintenance for the first couple years or 36 k miles. We get up to 10k free. But still.....
After driving the es300h now, it's much more apparent the remote touch advantages of not having to lean over to touch the screen. The Avalon still has the touchscreen.
After driving the es300h now, it's much more apparent the remote touch advantages of not having to lean over to touch the screen. The Avalon still has the touchscreen.
12-06-12, 07:00 AM
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They did a segment on the Avalon on Motorweek last night and I watched it. Looks nice, not nearly as classy as the ES though.
12-06-12, 07:07 AM
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When we bought a 2007 ES350 we shopped the Avalon but preferred the styling over the Avalon. A lot of the other areas we considered pretty equal.
12-07-12, 12:55 AM
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I like the ES, haven't seen the Avalon yet.
Pros for Avalon:
Avalon is quieter
Avalon has standard leather vs standard Nulux for the Es
And Avalon can be had with rear climate and rear heated seats (not so with the ES)
Pros for Avalon:
Avalon is quieter
Avalon has standard leather vs standard Nulux for the Es
And Avalon can be had with rear climate and rear heated seats (not so with the ES)
12-07-12, 05:10 AM
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https://www.clublexus.com/forums/7637541-post1.html
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The new 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid, then, is not only quiet and efficient — it has some dynamic ability and an upscale demeanor.
It is, quite simply, in a class by itself.
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Those considerations aside, the reality of the Avalon's fuel-sipping effectiveness punched us straight in the face when this large, comfortable sedan laid down a 46.5 mpg average on our 106.1-mile city loop. During two weeks we covered a total of 1,050 miles of mixed driving and recorded a 38.3 mpg average. This is a genuinely fuel-efficient luxury sedan — period.
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Regardless of its source, acceleration reliably follows throttle input and there's always a smooth swell of torque on tap at lower speeds. It's relatively quick, too. Ours went from zero to 60 mph in 7.7 seconds (7.4 seconds with a 1-foot rollout as on a drag strip) and whirred through the quarter-mile in 15.7 seconds at 90.3 mph. That's only 0.2 second behind the 2012 Hyundai Azera, which is powered by a 293-hp 3.3-liter V6 and rated at 23 mpg combined.
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Avalon engineers stole a move from the Lexus playbook by creating safe-room silence inside. At 59.8 decibels the Avalon recorded one of the lowest 70-mph cruise noise readings we've measured in any car in recent memory — including such costly equipment as the Bentley Continental GT (61.6 decibels) and the Audi A8 L (60.9 decibels).
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Accordingly, there's a clear effort to move the Avalon above its segment mates in design and materials. Chrome bezels and accents dominate the detail work to the extent that you'll be thrilled to own a pair of polarized sunglasses for knocking down glare. Brightwork on this scale has never before graced a Toyota interior. Materials, too, are decidedly premium. Leather seats are standard across trim levels, while Limited models get perforated leather.
Stitched leather is present on the shifter, steering wheel and dash and there's a distinct absence of hard plastic surfaces. Overall interior quality looks and feels commensurate with the Avalon's price.
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Yes, you'll pay more for the 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid than for some cars with which it loosely shares a segment. But when it comes to matching the Avalon's mix of efficiency, solitude and comfort, few will compete.
46 MPG in the city, 7.4s 0-60.
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/ava...full-test.html
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The new 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid, then, is not only quiet and efficient — it has some dynamic ability and an upscale demeanor.
It is, quite simply, in a class by itself.
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Those considerations aside, the reality of the Avalon's fuel-sipping effectiveness punched us straight in the face when this large, comfortable sedan laid down a 46.5 mpg average on our 106.1-mile city loop. During two weeks we covered a total of 1,050 miles of mixed driving and recorded a 38.3 mpg average. This is a genuinely fuel-efficient luxury sedan — period.
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Regardless of its source, acceleration reliably follows throttle input and there's always a smooth swell of torque on tap at lower speeds. It's relatively quick, too. Ours went from zero to 60 mph in 7.7 seconds (7.4 seconds with a 1-foot rollout as on a drag strip) and whirred through the quarter-mile in 15.7 seconds at 90.3 mph. That's only 0.2 second behind the 2012 Hyundai Azera, which is powered by a 293-hp 3.3-liter V6 and rated at 23 mpg combined.
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Avalon engineers stole a move from the Lexus playbook by creating safe-room silence inside. At 59.8 decibels the Avalon recorded one of the lowest 70-mph cruise noise readings we've measured in any car in recent memory — including such costly equipment as the Bentley Continental GT (61.6 decibels) and the Audi A8 L (60.9 decibels).
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Accordingly, there's a clear effort to move the Avalon above its segment mates in design and materials. Chrome bezels and accents dominate the detail work to the extent that you'll be thrilled to own a pair of polarized sunglasses for knocking down glare. Brightwork on this scale has never before graced a Toyota interior. Materials, too, are decidedly premium. Leather seats are standard across trim levels, while Limited models get perforated leather.
Stitched leather is present on the shifter, steering wheel and dash and there's a distinct absence of hard plastic surfaces. Overall interior quality looks and feels commensurate with the Avalon's price.
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Yes, you'll pay more for the 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid than for some cars with which it loosely shares a segment. But when it comes to matching the Avalon's mix of efficiency, solitude and comfort, few will compete.
46 MPG in the city, 7.4s 0-60.
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/ava...full-test.html
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12-07-12, 06:10 AM
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The Avalon got a good review from Edmunds.
I like a lot about the car except the gaping grill in front. I just can't get past it and need to see the car in person, maybe it will look better to me.
Although I'd probably never get one, I'm liking the grill on the new Lincolns (MKS and MKZ). To me it looks elegant, understated and right for that type of car and doesn't scream "look at me!".
I like a lot about the car except the gaping grill in front. I just can't get past it and need to see the car in person, maybe it will look better to me.
Although I'd probably never get one, I'm liking the grill on the new Lincolns (MKS and MKZ). To me it looks elegant, understated and right for that type of car and doesn't scream "look at me!".
12-07-12, 09:33 AM
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Mkz hybrid is priced the same as the gas version but their mileage claims may be significantly overstated based on a consumer reports article. The lack of a gear shifter is interesting.