LexBob2

As I said initially, kudos to Lexus if they decide to offer an F Sport ES.

I just don't think there is much of a market for one, but it wouldn't cost them much to try. The risk would be low. Kind of like Buick offering an AWD LaCrosse GS. Interesting, but again I doubt if there is much of a market for one.

Toys4RJill

I agree there is not likely much of a market.

asoksevil

Well since the Lexus RX has more or less the same target market it wouldn't make "any" sense having an F Sport package, but Lexus did it. We might see one ES F Sport in the future (2-3 years) just like the CT.

ydooby

An ES F-Sport probably won't appeal to the ES's current target demographics, but it will quite likely attract a new group of customers who want upscale, practical, decent handling/sporty looking in a reasonably affordable package. I agree with spwolf that if the Camry SE can sell reasonably well, there's no reason an ES F-Sport can't sell.

Joeb427

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The Camry SE cost discounted is under $30K loaded with every option.The Camry SE has a lot of 20 somethings buying the car.Many that the parents bought.
A loaded ES F-Sport will be $42+K.How many 20 somethings will be paying that much for a car?Or the parents?

xioix

That is what the IS is for

ydooby

Except the practical part.

ydooby

Of course the ES F-Sport won't be targeting exactly the same 20-something demographics as the Camry SE. Try those in their 30s who just started a family and are still young at heart (my guess).

LexBob2

When the current gen ES came out with improved (IMO) styling, improved powertrain and somewhat improved ride and handling, Lexus goal was to appeal to a wider (younger) demographic. That didn't really happen. I'm sure they'd like to do that with the next gen but those perceptions are really hard to change. If they stick with it it might be done in another one or two generations. Buick, Lincoln are in the same boat. When it comes to actually plunking down $40k+ for an ES I think the current demographic will be the ones to buy them.

PhilipMSPT

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There is one demographic you didn't mention that Lexus will continue to absorb; and those are younger, "greener", environmentally conscious consumers that want more than a Prius or Camry Hybrid.

This relatively younger well-to-do crowd would have never thought of the ES. Now that it has a hybrid variant, this specific market will surely flock to it.

Joeb427

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I don't think a ES F-Sport would sell.I don't think we'll see one.
Just my opinion.

spwolf

why do people buy ES competition? is it because they want something more comfy or more sporty?
average buyer of camry is 45 not 20s anyway....

i personally would probably never buy ordinary ES.... Fsport? yes.
for some reason you are taking this as if we talk about ES-F... f sport would be appearance and slightly harder suspension package, not some M5 fighter

Joeb427

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They want something more comfy.
The ES doesn't have any competition when it comes to ride comfort.That's why it's a bread and butter vehilcle for Lexus.The LaCross doesn't ride as smooth.
The Camry average buyer may be 45 but the SE is much younger.
The Toyotanation Camry forum is chock full of kids with SE's.
You wouldn't buy a ordinary ES and not many wouldn't buy a ES F-Sport.I know I wouldn't and this is my second ES350..
A ES350 and ES 300 works.Leave the T-Sport option to the real sporty type vehicles.
Heck,I feel an F-Sport RX is off the wall too.

ydooby

If even the RX can have an F-Sport version, anything is possible (well, maybe not the truck-based GX and LX).

Joeb427

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That's true.