Go Back   Club Lexus Forums > Lexus Model Forums > ES Models > ES350 and ES300h (2013+)
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Next-Gen Lexus ES (ES350 and ES300h confirmed)

Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-05-12, 10:12 PM   #46
Mr. Burns
Lexus Test Driver
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 1,499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
this is some exciting news, seems like lexus is ready to do some killing with their new cars.

so the es will be quite a bit bigger / longer than the current one then? that's interesting (wonder what some would feel ), i welcome that change actually. the gs is already staying at the current size, which is almost 9-10 inches shorter than the LS. current ES is 191 inches, so a few more inches and that will be a great gap in between the two cars for those who doesn't need "sport" but the "space" while keeping a budget.

the quietest lexus ever, fantastic!!!!!!! so that means even quieter than the ls600hl? now that's not something easy to do and i think that would be the key for es success. that also pave the road for the next generation ls, which will have to be quieter than the es. if this goes on lexus cars will be quieter than phantom soon

and i love the fact that lexus is putting hybrid in the es (finally!) giving it the extra boost on gas mileage. screw hs, esh should have been the answer since day 1
I don't by any of that for a second. The next ES will be a great car by all indications but claiming it will be quieter than a 600hL and obtain mileage figures in the high 40s is just not going to happen. It may grow longer and wider, but I have my doubts about that too.
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Club Lexus!
Mr. Burns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-12, 10:26 PM   #47
LexsCTJill
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: ON
Posts: 1,727
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Burns View Post
I don't by any of that for a second. The next ES will be a great car by all indications but claiming it will be quieter than a 600hL and obtain mileage figures in the high 40s is just not going to happen. It may grow longer and wider, but I have my doubts about that too.
I can see it happening. The ES is the bread and butter sedan of Lexus. The next gen has to be perfect.

Marry the 3.5 with an 8 speed and 40mpg hwy is possible.
LexsCTJill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-12, 10:33 PM   #48
ydooby
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 1,683
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
I can see it happening. The ES is the bread and butter sedan of Lexus. The next gen has to be perfect.

Marry the 3.5 with an 8 speed and 40mpg hwy is possible.
No way the 3.5 can achieve 40mpg highway with just a better transmission. The quoted "high 40s" is regarding the ES hybrid and has nothing to do with the regular ES.

I can see the ES hybrid being quieter than the current LS hybrid and the regular ES being quieter than the current LS if they really do the sound insulation right. But as for the "high 40s" mileage, it's highly unlikely to happen.
ydooby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-12, 11:27 PM   #49
superchan7
Lead Lap
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: California
Posts: 639
Default

I just don't see the ES having anything but the 2GR-FE V6 paired with the 6AT...identical setup as in the Camry and identical to the previous gen. Anything deviating from Camry mechanicals will increase cost, since the Camry forms the basic structure of the car. In any case, that is just my guess and I'm all for cool surprises.

I am, however, looking forward to the updated interior. If the Camry can make such a big jump in interior quality, the ES should really be worth looking at.
__________________
1998 F355
2008 ES350 - Gone but still a fan!
superchan7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-12, 11:46 PM   #50
SaintNexus
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
SaintNexus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: CA
Posts: 2,446
Default

With the giant improvement the GS had with its interior, I can only hope for good things to come to the ES. The center dash is just nasty looking; can't wait to see what Lexus has up its sleeves.
SaintNexus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-12, 12:52 AM   #51
rominl
exclusive matchup

Trader Score: (4)
 
rominl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Lovely OC
Posts: 79,297
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Burns View Post
I don't by any of that for a second. The next ES will be a great car by all indications but claiming it will be quieter than a 600hL and obtain mileage figures in the high 40s is just not going to happen. It may grow longer and wider, but I have my doubts about that too.
i believe when the current es350 it's quieter than the ls400/430 (forgot).

and if they put in a v4 pairing with a hybrid, i think 40mpg is doable. if it's just mid 30s then it won't separate itself enough from the gsh which is getting 31mpg
__________________
Yes, I drove it. The great feeling of boiling blood.
rominl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 08:09 PM   #52
LexFather
Guest
Trader Score: ()
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Its not just with the interior, etc. The car will have the tech of the new GS. The hybrid powertrain should be the new Camry hybrid powertrain which gets 43 MPG overall which I ASSUME the CT/HS will get with a MMC. I keep hearing how good looking this car is and dealers love it (and with good reason as stated, it is the volume selling sedan). Going back to the tech, Lexus is really going to push to the front of the field with technology and features, options.

With this ES you have to be a complete buffoon to throw the word "Camry" out there.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 08:28 PM   #53
LexsCTJill
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: ON
Posts: 1,727
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by superchan7 View Post
I just don't see the ES having anything but the 2GR-FE V6 paired with the 6AT...identical setup as in the Camry and identical to the previous gen. Anything deviating from Camry mechanicals will increase cost, since the Camry forms the basic structure of the car. In any case, that is just my guess and I'm all for cool surprises.

I am, however, looking forward to the updated interior. If the Camry can make such a big jump in interior quality, the ES should really be worth looking at.
I think the ES will move to Avalon size, maybe they will even build it in Kentucky.
LexsCTJill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 08:38 PM   #54
LexFather
Guest
Trader Score: ()
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Imaybe they will even build it in Kentucky.
Yup just like how you said the CT is a rebadged Prius and the Lexus LF LC is based on the Toyota FRS.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 11:23 PM   #55
GiantsFan
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (8)
 
GiantsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: CA - Norcal
Posts: 7,187
Giantsfan7490 Giantsfan7490
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
I think the ES will move to Avalon size, maybe they will even build it in Kentucky.
That aint happening ....

And in the remote possibility they even decide to move ES production out of Japan - they already have a Lexus plant in NA where they build the RX (Canada).
__________________

IS250 - Painted Engine Covers - F-Sport Intake - Megan Mids - Lexus HKS exhaust - BC Coils - F-Sport Sways - Forgestar F14 - IS350 BBK/Stoptech Drilled Rotors - F-Sport Grille - GFX Lip - CF Splitters - CF Rear Canards - 5000k Lows & 3000k Fogs - Fog Light Mod - Black Emblems - NorCal/CL Plate Frame - Roof Spoiler - CF Decklid Spoiler - IS-F Tails W/ LED Blinkers - IS-F CF Interior - IS-F Steering Damper - F-Sport Shift **** - Sport Pedals - OEM iPod Kit - LEDs Everywhere
GiantsFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 12:53 AM   #56
Trexus
Moderator
Trader Score: (0)
 
Trexus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: California
Posts: 3,910
tacademia@aol.com
Send a message via AIM to Trexus Send a message via Yahoo to Trexus
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
I think the ES will move to Avalon size, maybe they will even build it in Kentucky.
Not likely...The ES will still be FWD Camry based and will still be built in good'ole Japan...
__________________


2014 Starfire Pearl GX 460
2011 Smokey Granite Mica CT 200h

1998 Red SC 400 - Gone but definitely not forgotten
1996 Star Sapphire Pearl GS 300 - Gone but not forgotten
1996 Classic Green Pearl ES 300 - 400,697 miles R.I.P.
Trexus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 01:22 AM   #57
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 16,302
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX View Post
Its not just with the interior, etc. The car will have the tech of the new GS. The hybrid powertrain should be the new Camry hybrid powertrain which gets 43 MPG overall which I ASSUME the CT/HS will get with a MMC. I keep hearing how good looking this car is and dealers love it (and with good reason as stated, it is the volume selling sedan). Going back to the tech, Lexus is really going to push to the front of the field with technology and features, options.

With this ES you have to be a complete buffoon to throw the word "Camry" out there.
camry hybrid follows tech introduced in 3rd prius, like cth.... you wont get improvements from cth, but they might add it as higher powered option, who knows.... camry gets 41 combined, cth would get probably 38 due to worse aero of hatchback.

further improvements are possible if they add small turbo engine ad direct injection, valvematic, lithium ion batteries but then the cost baloons as well as complexity so i doubt we will see that in camry or prius. and improvements wont be huge in real life with all of that combined maybe 10-15%.

q5 with 8 speed at and lion and 4cly turbo has been tested in germany against bigger, heavier, more powerful ad 2009 tech rx450h awd and got beaten badly, 25% worse real life mileage.
__________________
- 07 Lexus GS350 AWD
spwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 01:27 AM   #58
Mr. Burns
Lexus Test Driver
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 1,499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by spwolf View Post

q5 with 8 speed at and lion and 4cly turbo has been tested in germany against bigger, heavier, more powerful ad 2009 tech rx450h awd and got beaten badly, 25% worse real life mileage.
Good god, a turbo Audi with lion hybrid system, what could possibly go wrong.
Mr. Burns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 01:29 AM   #59
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 16,302
Default

i bet v6 will carry over, with slight changes, and hybrid will use same engine to camry hybrid just with different electronics, wth different modes like in cth and gsh... with lighter car than before, and more aluminium than camry, it will be good.

toyota uses big production numbers to bring costs of hybrid engines down... they will produce 1,000,000 in 2012, with next competitor doing less than 70k honda, and ford doing paltry 30k, at least in 2011... thats why toyota can price them well, everyone else loses money on them as they dont have the production numbers. hybrid costs are considerably more than non hybrid engines, so i dont think that ayone but toyota makes any money on them.
__________________
- 07 Lexus GS350 AWD
spwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 06:39 AM   #60
LexBob2
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Illinois
Posts: 6,396
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trexus View Post
Not likely...The ES will still be FWD Camry based and will still be built in good'ole Japan...
I'd agree with this speculation. Nothing radical on where it's made and what it's based on. IMO, no need for it. I'm anxious to see the final product.
LexBob2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 06:39 AM
 
 
 
 
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Official: 2014 Buick LaCrosse Hoovey2411 Car Chat 30 04-28-14 03:49 PM
First Drive: 2014 Buick LaCrosse Hoovey2411 Car Chat 5 07-26-13 05:33 PM
Motortrend: 2012 Buick LaCrosse vs. 2012 Hyundai Azera vs. 2013 Lexus ES 350 Hoovey2411 Car Chat 60 11-13-12 09:21 AM
Review: 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXL mmarshall Car Chat 68 10-16-09 03:48 PM
Spy Photos: 2010 Buick LaCrosse Overclocker Car Chat 6 12-04-07 06:21 PM


Tags
2012, 2013, 250, 300, 350, buick, china, clublexus, date, es, es250, future, g37, gen, generation, hybrid, leaked, lesux, lexus, ls, models, nextgeneration, redesign, release, spotted, verano

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:04 PM.

Join ClubLexus
Advertising


Copyright © 2000-2008 Internet Brands, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Terms of Use | JOBS


Get all contact info