Yang1815

iTrader: (1)

If they're really that high then why bother with a warranty?

Based on numbers I'd believe a lot of people would go for M or GS over the ES but when you take the value into consideration... That's where the ES shines.

In addition let's not forget not everyone can take a RWD... Especially in areas where they get snow during the winter, lots of it... The FWD ES vs. AWD M/GS would have a bigger difference in price.

twister

Another good point! Here in Jersey you would be screwed with RWD.

... oh, and warranty is a competitive thing just for side-to-side comparison When I asked my salesperson about extended warranty, he replied its a waste of money.

Nextourer

I would think 2 inches of front legroom would be significant lol.

PhilipMSPT

iTrader: (5)

Not when it's less than 5% difference between the two...

wetlex8

When I first saw the ES350 I thought it was the new GS. The sticker price for a car with such good looks took me aback -- it fit within my budget. The test drive sealed the deal, it is truly a luxury car. The head turning and compliments are unexpected gifts. Lexus' customer service reputation, name and resale value are icing on the cake.

jeffofla

When I took my ES 350 into the dealer to have warranty work performed the first week, the service tech said "Is that your GS right there?" I said, "No, that's my ES 350 right there"

oldcajun

Your 5% is a pretty arbitrary number. There is actually 2" more front and another 2" more rear leg room. It may not be significant when you have some extra room, but it sure gets significant when your knees are touching the seat. The difference is interior volume is a pretty large number. Next time you're at a Lexus dealer, try an LS430 for size. Same interior room as an M35. These are really 2 vastly different cars. The GS is the direct competitor for the M, but falls far short in matching the interior room of the M.
Steve

PhilipMSPT

iTrader: (5)

True that. That's why statistics may be useful in mathematical terms but not in real-world terms.

I mean, do we measure people by 5% differences or two inch height differences?


The point: numbers don't matter if you don't like the car behind the wheel. Test drive it.

oldcajun

The two cars drive much differently. If you really like the way the ES350 drives and ride, you probably would not be impressed with the M35. It rides much more firmly and is a bit noiser particularly on rough roads. The M interior is nice but not nearly as plush as the ES.

One of the real benefits of Lexus and Infiniti following different paths is to provide us a choice between 2 excellent car brands with different character to match our individual preferences. I couldn't decide so I have one of each.

Steve

LexFather

I think the "M35/45" is the direct competitor to the GS, since the GS has been around since 1993

The M35/45 does have IMO more space than the GS, its pretty obvious. And it should, its a huge car for its class, sitting 58" tall, taller than a LS or even 7 series! The GS is more coupe like in execution, a drivers oriented interior and smaller interior room, which many here are not fans of the fact interior room is basically the same as the 2GS. Sales though have been steady so I guess Lexus and Infiniti did a good job.

Realfresh

wait for GS350???

The specs on that one look impressive