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Old 06-11-06, 04:26 PM   #16
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The treadwear rating for the Michelin is 440.

How do you like the Toyo tires? Are the Toyos quiet? I can't find the Toyo Proxes J33 on the Toyo website. My dealer will allow me to swap the Michelins for the Toyos which should improve my handling. Should I do it?
The Toyo is pretty quiet. My Avalon has Michelin tires (model unk) and they seem to make more noise but that is probably not a good comparison because the Lexus uses more sound proofing materials. In the future if I have to choose between quiet or longer life I will choose quiet.
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Old 03-20-13, 04:12 PM   #17
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i got michelins on my 2008 ES350. Was told at 30,000 miles that i had to buy a new set. At another forum for ES350 owners, a lot of owners were complaining that they too had to replace their tires at around 30K miles. Looks like the Michelins are not the best options longevity wise for the ES. Am wondering what the original tires are for models 2009 - 2012. Another poster on this thread complained about Michleins too.

Having said that, do the Toyo tires last longer ? When i replace mine, am definitely not getting Michelins.....
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Old 03-20-13, 04:25 PM   #18
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My original Michelins that came on my 2007 Ultra lasted about 19,000 miles. Got a goodwill deal on the second set from Michelin they only lasted the same in suburbia driving. Michelin dealer told me that these tires are designed for ride, not longevity I bought a set of Kumho Ectsa Platinums but the ride was not there. They lasted longer but I traded the car in on a 2011 that has Bridgestones. I have 8800 miles on the car and they are still okay but will not last past 20,000 miles either.
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Old 03-20-13, 04:33 PM   #19
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Just went on Tire Rack: Michelin has a new tire named "Defender' in the Lexus ES350 size. Cost is $702 with $70 rebate plus shipping. Has a UTQ mileage rating of 820 with 90,000 mile warranty. The treadwear pattern look like the old Michelin X-1 / XH-1 tires from the 80's. I ran a set of the old X-1 Michelins on a 1985 Grand Marquis wagon and put just over 60,000 miles on them and they were good enough to keep on but I traded the car in.
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I think a set of tires should last at least 40 000 in normal day to day driving. I think Lexus should put a caveat out there that says "Ok you want a good ride then use these tires, but they are not gonna last long" They should gives better alternatives. I had 32 k on a set of Firestones on a new 1992 Camry. The dealer acknowledged that tires should not wear out that quickly and arranged to have them replaced with another set of firestones with a 20% warranty adjustment. I put 30,000 on the second set and was still good when itraded my 92 camry. Oh i traded that car because the window fell off. incidentally, i am having the same window problem with my 2008 ES. So tires and Windows !!!! i just might trade this car after i have that fixed.
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Old 03-20-13, 07:32 PM   #21
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I think Lexus should put a caveat out there that says "Ok you want a good ride then use these tires, but they are not gonna last long"
Actually they do. Their literature contains the following disclaimer:

"17-in performance tires are expected to experience greater tire wear than conventional tires. Tire life may be substantially less than 20,000 miles, depending upon driving conditions. "

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Actually they do. Their literature contains the following disclaimer:

"17-in performance tires are expected to experience greater tire wear than conventional tires. Tire life may be substantially less than 20,000 miles, depending upon driving conditions. "

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Oh wow, it's in the proverbial fine print why did i miss that !!! Now i had Michelins in my 2003 Acura TL and that lasted way more than 30,000 miles. So did Acura put non performance tires on those babies. Now I remember i drove the TL harder than i do my ES. Go figure.
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Old 03-21-13, 11:46 AM   #23
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^^^^Don't worry, It's just a CYA disclaimer. The tires on the ES are not really performance tires, however the Michelins do handle well for a Green tire. You should be able to easily get 30K miles from them

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I replaced the Michelin Energy MXV4 S8s on my 2009 at 30K miles. There was plenty of usable tread left, but I noticed their wet traction was just starting to slip.

I replaced them with the Michelin Primacy MXV4, and after a couple thousand miles, I definitely think they're better than the originals.
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^^^^Don't worry, It's just a CYA disclaimer. The tires on the ES are not really performance tires, however the Michelins do handle well for a Green tire. You should be able to easily get 30K miles from them

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I agree that 30k miles should be doable. I easily get 30k-40k on set of all season tires.
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Old 03-25-13, 07:01 AM   #26
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I posted on the other tire thread. My original Michelins still had 4/32's at 30,000 miles. I changed them because they were getting squirrelly in bad weather. That's normal for ANY tire with 4/32s left.

I've owned BMW, Acura, Cadillac, to name a few and none of the factory tires were not any better than what came on the Lexus. At least Lexus gave me a spare and not run flats......thanks Lexus!
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I just put on a set of Yokohama Ascend tires last week. Way too early to give a good report on them, but they are very quiet.
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I just put on the Yokohama YK580's. Only had them a few weeks. Heck I have had the car only a few weeks. But so far so good!
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Default Michelin Primacy H rated

This has been beat to death here & over in Avalon & Camry forums. For example:

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/es35...s-350-a-2.html

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/15...-avalon-4.html

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/15...ml#post3990031

Toyota quit using the Michelin Energy MXV4 S8 and now uses Primacy MXV4 V rated as OEM on Camry SE, Camry XLE & Avalon.

Consumer reports and tirerack surveys rate Primacy MXV4 H rated as the best tire for an excellent balance of treadwear, traction, fuel economy, braking, etc.

For more spirited driving or if you live in the mountains on twiting reads, Primacy MXV4 V rated
or Primacy MXM4 V rated might be a better choice.

The OEM MXV4 S8's are a horrible tire by comparison ... and more expensive. Of course nothing is worse than the Bridgestone Turanza EL400 OEM that wear out in 15K miles.
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My 2010 ES has 37,500 on the Michelin Energy MXV4 S8s and are ready for replacement. I am satisfied with the longevity and really want the smooth and quiet ride. Besides, my spare has never been on the ground so I will buy three tires and use the spare, keeping the best of the worn tires for a spare. That will save $150+.
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