pab12

>In the US, virtually all UL package ES will have the ML audio, and most Luxury package ES will not have the ML audio, but they will still have the 8 inch screen.

That...
Our 2013 has NAV and non-ML audio. Found that if I turn the motor off and set the E-Brake I can watch DVDs while the wife goes shopping... :-)
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Current Hers: '13 Lexus ES350
Current Mine: '08 Jaguar S-Type 4.2

azipod

It's always interesting to see how much confusion Toyota/Lexus generates with all their individual options and packages. It's always "if you want A, you can't have B, but to get B, you have to get C....."

I like how Honda/Acura has minimal options and the majority of their setups rests with trim levels instead.

The Toyota/Lexus way makes it very confusing -- plus makes it very difficult to do price shopping from one dealer to another since the options may not be identical.

chromedome

Wading in, here we go... There are actually 4 systems:

1. Base with black and white cheapo 1980's LCD screen, I have this one
2. Base with Display Audio color screen
3. Base with Navigation
4. Mark Levinson with Navigation

You can't get ML without nav, whereas the first 3 systems use similar amps and audio processors. I think only the ML package has a subwoofer.

LS430inDE.

I just wiped some blood off my laptop screen----it squirted out of my eyes.