PVD Wheels
08-24-16, 01:35 PM
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PVD Wheels
Has anyone here used these PVD wheels on their ES? I had some on my Highlander.. They are beautiful, dont pit. like chrome...they have chrome ones as well, but my car is Grey....
https://detroitwheelandtire.com/hol-...-set-of-4.html
https://detroitwheelandtire.com/hol-...-set-of-4.html
08-24-16, 05:52 PM
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Well I'm sure it would depend on the color of the car.. I've had PVD chrome before. It was beautiful, almost got the black chrome, but e excited on the chrome...I just done like silver wheels
09-26-17, 08:27 PM
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09-28-17, 05:27 AM
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Are those 17's are 18's? I'm thinking of putting these on my 2014 ES.
09-28-17, 06:30 AM
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They are 18s. My ES came with 17s. One thing you should know is that when you change the wheel size the odometer does not read 100% accurate any longer. This is because they car is calibrated for the 17 inch wheels at the factory. There is no way to change this and Lexus will not do it for you. Basically the odometer reads about 2-3 mph faster than it actually is. So if it reads 80 mph you actually are going 77-78 mph. This gap gets larger the faster you go. Before I put the larger wheels on I researched how to fix this. There are some elaborate odometer hacks to get the odometer to read more accurate to your true speed but it involved removing almost the entire dashboard and fiddling with the wires inside. Ultimately I decided it wasn't worth it. I've been driving with the larger wheels for over two years and the odometer reading being off these few mph isn't that much of a big deal.
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09-28-17, 06:39 AM
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They are 18s. My ES came with 17s. One thing you should know is that when you change the wheel size the odometer does not read 100% accurate any longer. This is because they car is calibrated for the 17 inch wheels at the factory. There is no way to change this and Lexus will not do it for you. Basically the odometer reads about 2-3 mph faster than it actually is. So if it reads 80 mph you actually are going 77-78 mph. This gap gets larger the faster you go. Before I put the larger wheels on I researched how to fix this. There are some elaborate odometer hacks to get the odometer to read more accurate to your true speed but it involved removing almost the entire dashboard and fiddling with the wires inside. Ultimately I decided it wasn't worth it. I've been driving with the larger wheels for over two years and the odometer reading being off these few mph isn't that much of a big deal.
Great Info...
I'm trying to purchase those exact wheels without trading in my 17's. Hopefully I can find a nice deal.
09-28-17, 06:59 AM
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Driver School Candidate
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the trading thing I saw on eBay and other places. I ended up finding a straight sale on eBay for a thousand. I thought that was a pretty good deal. It also let me keep the old tires and wheels. I was able to swap out the TPMS from the old tires/wheels to the new ones so I didn't have to pay an extra $80 for each wheel.
I ended up going with Continental DWS 06 tires. The original tires on the ES were Michelin Primacy mxv04, which are pretty good all season tires. I was able to sell the original wheels with tires to someone locally for a thousand. The original set of Continental DWS 06 tires cost me about $800 for a set of 4. I did the standard rotate every oil change and got 50,000 miles out of them. It's the most miles I have ever gotten out of any set of tires so I was really happy with that. I actually just put new ones on a few months ago, was $800 for a set again.
I ended up going with Continental DWS 06 tires. The original tires on the ES were Michelin Primacy mxv04, which are pretty good all season tires. I was able to sell the original wheels with tires to someone locally for a thousand. The original set of Continental DWS 06 tires cost me about $800 for a set of 4. I did the standard rotate every oil change and got 50,000 miles out of them. It's the most miles I have ever gotten out of any set of tires so I was really happy with that. I actually just put new ones on a few months ago, was $800 for a set again.
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09-28-17, 07:05 AM
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They are 18s. My ES came with 17s. One thing you should know is that when you change the wheel size the odometer does not read 100% accurate any longer. This is because they car is calibrated for the 17 inch wheels at the factory. There is no way to change this and Lexus will not do it for you. Basically the odometer reads about 2-3 mph faster than it actually is. So if it reads 80 mph you actually are going 77-78 mph. This gap gets larger the faster you go. Before I put the larger wheels on I researched how to fix this. There are some elaborate odometer hacks to get the odometer to read more accurate to your true speed but it involved removing almost the entire dashboard and fiddling with the wires inside. Ultimately I decided it wasn't worth it. I've been driving with the larger wheels for over two years and the odometer reading being off these few mph isn't that much of a big deal.
Also, all Toyota's speedometers, if not most manufactures, are about 2 to 3 mph off on the low side. Meaning, it reads higher than actual. There are plenty of threads on the subject here.
09-28-17, 07:50 AM
#11
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Somewhat inaccurate. My ES came with 18" wheels with 225/45R18 tires. The standard 17" rims come with 215/55R17 tires. If your 18" rims use the tires that I referenced, you will see no discernible speedometer difference. The circumference is nearly identical between the two.
The difference in diameter between the 225/45R 18 tires and the diameter of the 215/55R 17 tires is about .12 of an inch. That translates into a circumference difference between the two tire/wheel sizes of less than .5%, and that means that, with the 18 inch wheels, the speedometer reading at 70 mph would only be less than 1/3 mph different from the speedometer reading with the 17 inch wheels.
To add further perspective, the difference in speedometer readings between the two wheel/tire sizes is smaller than would be the difference in speedometer readings between an ES with new tires and one that had tires with about 3000 miles of tread wear.
Last edited by lesz; 09-28-17 at 08:09 AM.
09-28-17, 09:20 AM
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Absolutely correct.
The difference in diameter between the 225/45R 18 tires and the diameter of the 215/55R 17 tires is about .12 of an inch. That translates into a circumference difference between the two tire/wheel sizes of less than .5%, and that means that, with the 18 inch wheels, the speedometer reading at 70 mph would only be less than 1/3 mph different from the speedometer reading with the 17 inch wheels.
To add further perspective, the difference in speedometer readings between the two wheel/tire sizes is smaller than would be the difference in speedometer readings between an ES with new tires and one that had tires with about 3000 miles of tread wear.
The difference in diameter between the 225/45R 18 tires and the diameter of the 215/55R 17 tires is about .12 of an inch. That translates into a circumference difference between the two tire/wheel sizes of less than .5%, and that means that, with the 18 inch wheels, the speedometer reading at 70 mph would only be less than 1/3 mph different from the speedometer reading with the 17 inch wheels.
To add further perspective, the difference in speedometer readings between the two wheel/tire sizes is smaller than would be the difference in speedometer readings between an ES with new tires and one that had tires with about 3000 miles of tread wear.
To better visualize, take more extremes. Say you have a 10" wheel and a 20" wheel. For both of them to go 80 mph, the smaller wheel has to make more revolutions per minute. This is how your speedometer is calculating your speed on the display. If it is calibrated for the 10" wheel and you put the 20" wheel on the same vehicle then at the same revolutions per minute of the 20" wheel as the 10" wheel, the speedometer will think you are going faster than you are.
I thought it was crazy too, so I conducted a test with an independent speedometer app on my phone compared to the speedometer in the car. Regardless of how accurate that is doesn't matter since we are experimenting to see if there is a speed difference between the two wheel sizes. The car speedometer acts as the control. When I tested the 17" wheels on my vehicle at 80 mph (car speedometer readout) it read 80 mph on the speedometer app. Then after I put the 18" wheels on the car I ran the same test. With the car speedometer at the same 80 mph the speedometer on the app read 77 mph, a speed difference of 3 mph.
If you google this issue you will find a lot more data and detailed explanations with mathematical reasoning included.
09-28-17, 09:40 AM
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This is not correct. I know it's hard to conceptualize because I had the same problem when I was first told this when I was asking questions about going a size up for my wheels. The overall radius with the tire on the wheel is irrelevant. What is causing the speed difference is that the actual size of the wheel. Now we're talking going 17" to 18", which isn't a lot so it's hard to visualize. Regardless of tire size, the larger wheel makes less revolutions at the same speed as the smaller wheel going the same distance. Because of this, the speedometer thinks the car is going faster than it actually is.
To better visualize, take more extremes. Say you have a 10" wheel and a 20" wheel. For both of them to go 80 mph, the smaller wheel has to make more revolutions per minute. This is how your speedometer is calculating your speed on the display. If it is calibrated for the 10" wheel and you put the 20" wheel on the same vehicle then at the same revolutions per minute of the 20" wheel as the 10" wheel, the speedometer will think you are going faster than you are.
To better visualize, take more extremes. Say you have a 10" wheel and a 20" wheel. For both of them to go 80 mph, the smaller wheel has to make more revolutions per minute. This is how your speedometer is calculating your speed on the display. If it is calibrated for the 10" wheel and you put the 20" wheel on the same vehicle then at the same revolutions per minute of the 20" wheel as the 10" wheel, the speedometer will think you are going faster than you are.
09-28-17, 09:40 AM
#14
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This is not correct. I know it's hard to conceptualize because I had the same problem when I was first told this when I was asking questions about going a size up for my wheels. The overall radius with the tire on the wheel is irrelevant. What is causing the speed difference is that the actual size of the wheel. Now we're talking going 17" to 18", which isn't a lot so it's hard to visualize. Regardless of tire size, the larger wheel makes less revolutions at the same speed as the smaller wheel going the same distance. Because of this, the speedometer thinks the car is going faster than it actually is.
To better visualize, take more extremes. Say you have a 10" wheel and a 20" wheel. For both of them to go 80 mph, the smaller wheel has to make more revolutions per minute. This is how your speedometer is calculating your speed on the display. If it is calibrated for the 10" wheel and you put the 20" wheel on the same vehicle then at the same revolutions per minute of the 20" wheel as the 10" wheel, the speedometer will think you are going faster than you are.
I thought it was crazy too, so I conducted a test with an independent speedometer app on my phone compared to the speedometer in the car. Regardless of how accurate that is doesn't matter since we are experimenting to see if there is a speed difference between the two wheel sizes. The car speedometer acts as the control. When I tested the 17" wheels on my vehicle at 80 mph (car speedometer readout) it read 80 mph on the speedometer app. Then after I put the 18" wheels on the car I ran the same test. With the car speedometer at the same 80 mph the speedometer on the app read 77 mph, a speed difference of 3 mph.
If you google this issue you will find a lot more data and detailed explanations with mathematical reasoning included.
To better visualize, take more extremes. Say you have a 10" wheel and a 20" wheel. For both of them to go 80 mph, the smaller wheel has to make more revolutions per minute. This is how your speedometer is calculating your speed on the display. If it is calibrated for the 10" wheel and you put the 20" wheel on the same vehicle then at the same revolutions per minute of the 20" wheel as the 10" wheel, the speedometer will think you are going faster than you are.
I thought it was crazy too, so I conducted a test with an independent speedometer app on my phone compared to the speedometer in the car. Regardless of how accurate that is doesn't matter since we are experimenting to see if there is a speed difference between the two wheel sizes. The car speedometer acts as the control. When I tested the 17" wheels on my vehicle at 80 mph (car speedometer readout) it read 80 mph on the speedometer app. Then after I put the 18" wheels on the car I ran the same test. With the car speedometer at the same 80 mph the speedometer on the app read 77 mph, a speed difference of 3 mph.
If you google this issue you will find a lot more data and detailed explanations with mathematical reasoning included.
09-28-17, 09:52 AM
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