renegad44

Thanks for the info. The MXV4 in 18's seems to be impossible to get. The Pirelli's you mentioned are "run-flats," had run-flats on my Corvette, took them off immediately, really too stiff. Still looking around. Just last week I put a set of Nitto NT421Q's (275/55/20) on my 4Runner, absolutely surprised by how quiet they are, attractive, and with a 55k mile range. I may look at Nitto Motivo's for this Lexus.

Mike728

Why do you think they're Run Flats?

bostonsnow

But I want the big cushy futon sofa floating down the highway!!

For those of us wanting this, Lexus seems to only have the LS as the target car....sigh.....

SW17LS

I had a 4ES like yours and a 5ES, and when I traded the 5ES I heavily considered the then new 2013 6ES, but upgraded to the GS almost entirely because of the interior.

In terms of ride, I personally never saw a ton of difference between the way my 5ES rode and the way the 6ES rode, even on back to back test drives. I was only considering cars on 17s so I can't speak to the UL and the 18s.

My 5th gen ES350 handled a good bit sharper and felt more dynamic than my 4th generation ES300, while still retaining the excellent ride.

I would not discount the GS. I actually felt my 4GS rode better than the ES when at speed, around town at low speeds it felt a good bit firmer but not uncomfortable. Its a much more substantial car.

As Mike said the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus are not runflats. Pirelli makes a P7 runflat but those aren't them. I put a set on my LS460 a few months ago and they ride great.

bostonsnow

hmmm. good point. I should not discount the GS. I have never driven one - I should at least give it a try. ONe nice aspect for comfort about the GS is that you can get the 4 way adjustable lumbar support in the GS.

SW17LS

Make sure you drive a GS with the luxury package. That gets you the AVS suspension, and the additional and better wood/leather inside. That GS has incredible seats, the lumbar is just part of it. They're 18 way adjustable with an articulating backrest, power adjustable side bolsters, etc. Easily the best seats in any Lexus. In a lot of ways the GS was just as nice as my LS inside, in some ways even better.

Leases are great on the GS too, you can lease one for just a little bit more than an ES. Or if used is okay with you, you can buy a 2013 for ~ $30k which is an automotive steal IMHO.

renegad44

I don't understand your question. The Pirelli Cinturato P7's I pulled up seems to be listed as run-flats?

Thanks, I'll take another look at them, thought I saw them listed as run-flats.

SW17LS

You pulled up the wrong tires.

Here they are, not run flats:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....0&autoModClar=

renegad44

Thanks, with the link you provided I found them in the size needed....Appreciate your help....

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....SPXL&tab=Sizes

KennyLexus

The 5th Gen ES with Michelin Primacy has a better ride than the 6th Gen ES.

I put about 60000 miles on my 2011 ES (10000 of those miles where on OEM wheels and tires).

I've put about 100000 miles on my 2013 ES300H (6000 of those miles were on OEM wheels and tires).

The 2011 ES had a floaty ride and very comfortable. This took some getting used to after coming from an Audi. The Audi had tighter suspension. But definitely preferred the Lexus better. I actually considered keeping my 2011 ES after putting OEM wheels and tires back on before selling it. My 2013 ES300H had a firmer ride compared to my 2011 (comparing stock vs stock).

harvey1078

I called Michelin Primacy MXV4 for the ES300h is still being produced (PArt # 08357).
I am torn between the MXV4, MXM4, and the Premier A/S? Any advice?

12jimmyjam

I agree with Steve that the 5th and 6th generations felt very similar - almost identical to me. But I have heard that the 2016 has a softer ride.

I wish the ES would reproduce the soft ride that my 00 had. People always commented on how great it was when they hitched a ride.

SW17LS

I would choose the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus. The MXV4s are hard to find, if you needed one or two to replace them it would be hard. The MXM4 is a sportier tire, and not that quiet (had them on my GS), and there have been some folks who have found the Premiers are louder than what they want.

bostonsnow

thanks. Gonna test drive some GS's soon. I agree that the current lease offered as well as the used 2013-14 (whether CPO or non CPO) are good prices.

I wish the ES350 and ES300h had an option of the 16 or 18-way seat. That really is now a inadequate lacking factor for Lexus compared to some of the competition - eg Audi A4, Hyundai Genesis have similar 12-16 way type seat options.....

If the ES300h had 16 way seats, I would probably have bought one already!

SW17LS

Even the LS doesn't have the 18 way power seats you can get on the GS. The A4 and Genesis don't have seats with that level of adjustability.