Our First 2013 ES!!
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Well, I went and drove the brand new Cadillac XTS. I now have to make choice between the 2013 ES 350 and the Cadillac. The Cadillac is probably a bit more expensive, right now. The fully loaded Luxury model had an MSRP of $53,000. I expect by February I will be able to find the XTS with generous discounts.
Overall, I found the interior much better than the ES. The short drive I took did not allow me to fully evaluate the car. But i found the car extremely comfortable, and the CUE is, in one short word, AMAZING! Welcome to the 21st century.
Here is a short review by Dallas/Ft Worth car guru Ed Wallace on his Friday TV spot:
Ed Wallace - Cadillac XTS
Cadillac has a new 2013 version of its XTS luxury sedan -- so what's going to happen to the old-school Caddy lovers? Ed has an idea.
Last Modified: Aug 03, 2012 11:23 AM CDT
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/video?clipId...autostart=true
This is a complete evaluation of the CUE and the car itself:
2013 Cadillac XTS Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqETRrhiMs
Overall, I found the interior much better than the ES. The short drive I took did not allow me to fully evaluate the car. But i found the car extremely comfortable, and the CUE is, in one short word, AMAZING! Welcome to the 21st century.
Here is a short review by Dallas/Ft Worth car guru Ed Wallace on his Friday TV spot:
Ed Wallace - Cadillac XTS
Cadillac has a new 2013 version of its XTS luxury sedan -- so what's going to happen to the old-school Caddy lovers? Ed has an idea.
Last Modified: Aug 03, 2012 11:23 AM CDT
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/video?clipId...autostart=true
This is a complete evaluation of the CUE and the car itself:
2013 Cadillac XTS Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqETRrhiMs
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Well, I went and drove the brand new Cadillac XTS. I now have to make choice between the 2013 ES 350 and the Cadillac. The Cadillac is probably a bit more expensive, right now. The fully loaded Luxury model had an MSRP of $53,000. I expect by February I will be able to find the XTS with generous discounts.
Overall, I found the interior much better than the ES. The short drive I took did not allow me to fully evaluate the car. But i found the car extremely comfortable, and the CUE is, in one short word, AMAZING! Welcome to the 21st century.
Here is a short review by Dallas/Ft Worth car guru Ed Wallace on his Friday TV spot:
Ed Wallace - Cadillac XTS
Cadillac has a new 2013 version of its XTS luxury sedan -- so what's going to happen to the old-school Caddy lovers? Ed has an idea.
Last Modified: Aug 03, 2012 11:23 AM CDT
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/video?clipId...autostart=true
This is a complete evaluation of the CUE and the car itself:
2013 Cadillac XTS Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqETRrhiMs
Overall, I found the interior much better than the ES. The short drive I took did not allow me to fully evaluate the car. But i found the car extremely comfortable, and the CUE is, in one short word, AMAZING! Welcome to the 21st century.
Here is a short review by Dallas/Ft Worth car guru Ed Wallace on his Friday TV spot:
Ed Wallace - Cadillac XTS
Cadillac has a new 2013 version of its XTS luxury sedan -- so what's going to happen to the old-school Caddy lovers? Ed has an idea.
Last Modified: Aug 03, 2012 11:23 AM CDT
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/video?clipId...autostart=true
This is a complete evaluation of the CUE and the car itself:
2013 Cadillac XTS Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqETRrhiMs
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I have to say the XTS is great looking car, I saw one at the auto show in ATL and I agree that overall the car looks better than the ES, but it is not paired with the ES, more so the LS. That's where the comparison should be. I must say that I thought hard about getting one and will probably test drive one. How was the magnetic ride in terms of feeling the road.
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I sat in an XTS a few weeks ago at a Caddy dealership and was impressed especially with the interior and technology. The one I was in had a sticker price over $60k and wasn't fully optioned so I think it will compete in a different segment than the ES. I was wondering how the typical Caddy buyer will respond to allof the high tech on the car.
Over $60K and not fully optioned for the ATS.
$50K+ for an ES.
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BTW - All XTS come with the latest generation iPad. It's the wave of the future. No more bulky manuals that can't even fit in the glove box. I suppose the iPad will be loaded with videos teaching how to use CUE.
As tablets come down in size and price, I can see other manufacturers doing the same thing. I can even see other products such as DSLR cameras, AV Receivers, TV, washers and driers utilizing something similar. No more printed matter, saving a ton of money. Also, it would cut down on telephone calls to support asking stupid questions on how to do this or that. I know for a fact Sony TV stopped including printed instructions on all HD TV since 2010. You can look at the manual at their website. If you require a hard copy, it's up to you to d/l and print it. They save money!
Network of support services and tablet included with each new XTS
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/cadi.../0509_cue.html
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The Premium line is equivalent to the Luxury line in the Lexus. It comes pretty much complete with all the safety goodies. I didn't spend much time, but it lacks moonroof. In my case, that's great not having to pay for it. We don't need/use ours in HOT Texas. In the Premium line, it comes with a double moonroof and the Bose sound system is even better.
The one I drove, I believe had an MSRP of $53,000 some. One thing about GM cars, as the year goes by, the discounts keep getting better.
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I have to say the XTS is great looking car, I saw one at the auto show in ATL and I agree that overall the car looks better than the ES, but it is not paired with the ES, more so the LS. That's where the comparison should be. I must say that I thought hard about getting one and will probably test drive one. How was the magnetic ride in terms of feeling the road.
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@LexBob - Visiting the XTS website, I see a lot of traditional Cadillac owners asking for another, brand new land barge. One of them just got an XTS and just couldn't stand it, he had to stripe it, just like old Cadillacs used to come (or maybe they still come).
My limited time behind the wheel didn't give me a chance to drive different roads to notice how the magnetic ride would react. I intend to take a much longer test drive if and when we are close to deciding to get the XTS over the ES.
Now my wife wants to test drive the new BMW 328i. She saw one and really liked it. Better looking than both the ES and the XTS. She hated all that chrome around the windows on the XTS...women...aaarrrgh!
All three cars optioned the way I would, cost about the same. The ES and XTS will ride better and are quieter than any 3 series I know. However, the Bimmer is more fun to drive and has the money advantage when it comes to any type of service/repair...no money. We had a 2004 330i that we picked-up in Munich under their wonderful European Delivery program and we never spent a cent for oil changes, brakes, wiper blades, etc. Still, I think for us, the Bimmer might be a tad too small. Both of us are retired now and we are down to only one car.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-b...-35148832.html
It will be fun testing all three cars, once the climate cools off. Too damn HOT to even go outside to check the mail right now!
My limited time behind the wheel didn't give me a chance to drive different roads to notice how the magnetic ride would react. I intend to take a much longer test drive if and when we are close to deciding to get the XTS over the ES.
Now my wife wants to test drive the new BMW 328i. She saw one and really liked it. Better looking than both the ES and the XTS. She hated all that chrome around the windows on the XTS...women...aaarrrgh!
All three cars optioned the way I would, cost about the same. The ES and XTS will ride better and are quieter than any 3 series I know. However, the Bimmer is more fun to drive and has the money advantage when it comes to any type of service/repair...no money. We had a 2004 330i that we picked-up in Munich under their wonderful European Delivery program and we never spent a cent for oil changes, brakes, wiper blades, etc. Still, I think for us, the Bimmer might be a tad too small. Both of us are retired now and we are down to only one car.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-b...-35148832.html
It will be fun testing all three cars, once the climate cools off. Too damn HOT to even go outside to check the mail right now!
Last edited by hughh; 08-06-12 at 05:04 PM.
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I sat in an XTS a few weeks ago at a Caddy dealership and was impressed especially with the interior and technology. The one I was in had a sticker price over $60k and wasn't fully optioned so I think it will compete in a different segment than the ES. I was wondering how the typical Caddy buyer will respond to allof the high tech on the car.
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LexPaul.
Yes, my first choice is the Lexus as well. If I can get a good offer from my dear dealer, that's the way we will go. But, like you, we're keeping our options open.
Please keep us informed. Always interesting to see what other do.
Yes, my first choice is the Lexus as well. If I can get a good offer from my dear dealer, that's the way we will go. But, like you, we're keeping our options open.
Please keep us informed. Always interesting to see what other do.
#26
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Yeah I don't feel the XTS really competes with the ES...10 inches longer is a HUGE difference! Even the LS is not 10" longer than the ES...the LS460L is only 11" longer than the ES. 10" longer and $10-$20k more makes it in a different segment.
Last edited by SW17LS; 08-09-12 at 11:05 AM.
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The ES350 I would buy.
Invoice
MSRP
True Market Value®
Base Price
$33,815
$36,100
$36,100
Ultra Luxury Package
$2,699
$2,935
$2,935
Navigation w/Mark Levinson Premium Audio Package
$3,452
$3,745
$3,745
Intuitive Parking Assist
$460
$500
$500
Lexus Pre-Collision System (PCS) w/Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
$1,380
$1,500
$1,500
Lane Departure Alert
$889
$965
$965
18" Wheels w/Liquid Graphite Finish
$811
$880
$880
Blind Spot Monitor w/Rear Cross Traffic Alert
$460
$500
$500
Destination Fee
$895
$895
$895
Total Price
$44,861
$48,020
Add another $2K-$3K for hybrid with same options and you're over $50K.
Invoice
MSRP
True Market Value®
Base Price
$33,815
$36,100
$36,100
Ultra Luxury Package
$2,699
$2,935
$2,935
Navigation w/Mark Levinson Premium Audio Package
$3,452
$3,745
$3,745
Intuitive Parking Assist
$460
$500
$500
Lexus Pre-Collision System (PCS) w/Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
$1,380
$1,500
$1,500
Lane Departure Alert
$889
$965
$965
18" Wheels w/Liquid Graphite Finish
$811
$880
$880
Blind Spot Monitor w/Rear Cross Traffic Alert
$460
$500
$500
Destination Fee
$895
$895
$895
Total Price
$44,861
$48,020
Add another $2K-$3K for hybrid with same options and you're over $50K.
Last edited by Joeb427; 08-14-12 at 10:38 AM.
#29
I was just at a ES ride and drive,and the fully loaded ultras didn't hit 50 and the 300h doesn't come with pano.
Pretty sure they can't hit 50k.
Your post reads like they sell for 50, when in fact the sell for 40 to 45. You might be able to order one for that comes to 50, but I doubt it.
The two 300h that I have are equipped with almost everything and have a 46k price tag.
Pretty sure they can't hit 50k.
Your post reads like they sell for 50, when in fact the sell for 40 to 45. You might be able to order one for that comes to 50, but I doubt it.
The two 300h that I have are equipped with almost everything and have a 46k price tag.
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I was just at a ES ride and drive,and the fully loaded ultras didn't hit 50 and the 300h doesn't come with pano.
Pretty sure they can't hit 50k.
Your post reads like they sell for 50, when in fact the sell for 40 to 45. You might be able to order one for that comes to 50 but I doubt it.
The two 300h that I have almost everything and have a 46k price tag.
Pretty sure they can't hit 50k.
Your post reads like they sell for 50, when in fact the sell for 40 to 45. You might be able to order one for that comes to 50 but I doubt it.
The two 300h that I have almost everything and have a 46k price tag.
My work up w/options on Edmunds was just over $48K.
There's two guys here who say a hybrid is over $50K loaded up and I believe one test drove one.
Check this thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es3...00h-today.html
Last edited by Joeb427; 08-14-12 at 11:02 AM.