Are BG Products useful ?
10-30-13, 05:17 AM
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Also, I'm impressed you have 30k miles on a 2013 ES already.
10-30-13, 06:22 AM
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I had these done
1) Brakes $115.00
2) Power steering $115.00
and these were suggested
1) Cooling system $149.00 - $169.00
2) Fuel/Air $179.00
3) Transmission $269.00
On my 05 A8 that has 120k miles on it now, over in the audiworld we always flushed the cooling system only when the timing belt service came around (75-85k). Trans flush are always dependent on the person; some never flush it, most who do flush it around 75-120k. Brakes are always changed whenever needed, although I find it hard to believe the 350 needed them changed this early, unless you drive pretty hard.
As to the comment on always going to the dealer.. (stealer), they will always recommend doing preventative items that don't need to be done at all or at that time. Indy shops don't void any warranties as long as they do the service correctly and in the general business. A great example is Lexus charges what $100-120 for a synthetic oil change on our cars? When the oil alone costs only $23 at Wallyworld (Mobil 1 0W-20 5qts), $10 filter +/-, and the indy dealer or any other reputable shop will charge only $10 to do the service if you don't want to DIY. So your saving over 50% of the cost on an oil change alone. Relate that into any other service they want you to do, and if it is necessary you can buy the parts yourself or have your indy generally do it for 30-40% cheaper. These cars are extremely easy to work on IMO. Coming from my 6.0L W12 with the tightest engine bay I've ever seen, the preventative maintenance needed on this simple V6 doesn't seem like anything too difficult to work on. After all it is the same engine that Toyota/Lexus has been using for years. The 300H may be the exception as I'm no pro at hybrids in any way and they may require something more with the electrical systems. Overall in general the standard maintenance: oil changes, flushes, belts etc. are just as easy to work on as any other car; thanks to Lexus/ Toyota keeping the consumer in mind...
Hope it helps!
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10-30-13, 06:47 AM
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You folks have been useful and I appreciate the comments.
I had forgotten to include the model number which is a 2010.
The reason I went to this shop in the 1st place was that they had a promotional coupon supporting the local high school football program. Get $50.00 off for $10.00.
So why not.
I had forgotten to include the model number which is a 2010.
The reason I went to this shop in the 1st place was that they had a promotional coupon supporting the local high school football program. Get $50.00 off for $10.00.
So why not.
10-30-13, 06:52 AM
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Why pay more??
10-30-13, 06:57 AM
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According to Lexus, they also do that at 30k miles.
In order to get a lifetime warranty on these systems, BG asks me to service them every 30k miles.
And yes, it helps.
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10-30-13, 08:13 AM
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A brake flush at 30k although recommended is just taking out new good fluid and putting new good fluid back in. With brake systems being a closed system and the new rubber that they use nowadays; moisture and contaminants don't get in like they used to. I've always done it at 100k or whenever I changed my brakes at higher mileage. But I'd never do it at random 30k intervals. That is unless you track your car; which with this you won't.
10-30-13, 02:15 PM
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I'm surprised that you needed your brakes done this early. All of those other services did not need to be performed, especially this early. Power steering flush I guess around 100k; it is a closed system. The cooling system is always flushed whenever the timing belt and water pump are replaced, generally around 75-125k depending on the vehicle. The trans is normally flushed around 75-100k as well. You absolutely didn't need the majority of those now. Your car doesn't have enough wear/tear on those fluids to warrant a flush on any of them. The fuel/air thing they suggested is simply just cleaning out the throttle body and adding fuel additives to the system.
On my 05 A8 that has 120k miles on it now, over in the audiworld we always flushed the cooling system only when the timing belt service came around (75-85k). Trans flush are always dependent on the person; some never flush it, most who do flush it around 75-120k. Brakes are always changed whenever needed, although I find it hard to believe the 350 needed them changed this early, unless you drive pretty hard.
As to the comment on always going to the dealer.. (stealer), they will always recommend doing preventative items that don't need to be done at all or at that time. Indy shops don't void any warranties as long as they do the service correctly and in the general business. A great example is Lexus charges what $100-120 for a synthetic oil change on our cars? When the oil alone costs only $23 at Wallyworld (Mobil 1 0W-20 5qts), $10 filter +/-, and the indy dealer or any other reputable shop will charge only $10 to do the service if you don't want to DIY. So your saving over 50% of the cost on an oil change alone. Relate that into any other service they want you to do, and if it is necessary you can buy the parts yourself or have your indy generally do it for 30-40% cheaper. These cars are extremely easy to work on IMO. Coming from my 6.0L W12 with the tightest engine bay I've ever seen, the preventative maintenance needed on this simple V6 doesn't seem like anything too difficult to work on. After all it is the same engine that Toyota/Lexus has been using for years. The 300H may be the exception as I'm no pro at hybrids in any way and they may require something more with the electrical systems. Overall in general the standard maintenance: oil changes, flushes, belts etc. are just as easy to work on as any other car; thanks to Lexus/ Toyota keeping the consumer in mind...
Hope it helps!
On my 05 A8 that has 120k miles on it now, over in the audiworld we always flushed the cooling system only when the timing belt service came around (75-85k). Trans flush are always dependent on the person; some never flush it, most who do flush it around 75-120k. Brakes are always changed whenever needed, although I find it hard to believe the 350 needed them changed this early, unless you drive pretty hard.
As to the comment on always going to the dealer.. (stealer), they will always recommend doing preventative items that don't need to be done at all or at that time. Indy shops don't void any warranties as long as they do the service correctly and in the general business. A great example is Lexus charges what $100-120 for a synthetic oil change on our cars? When the oil alone costs only $23 at Wallyworld (Mobil 1 0W-20 5qts), $10 filter +/-, and the indy dealer or any other reputable shop will charge only $10 to do the service if you don't want to DIY. So your saving over 50% of the cost on an oil change alone. Relate that into any other service they want you to do, and if it is necessary you can buy the parts yourself or have your indy generally do it for 30-40% cheaper. These cars are extremely easy to work on IMO. Coming from my 6.0L W12 with the tightest engine bay I've ever seen, the preventative maintenance needed on this simple V6 doesn't seem like anything too difficult to work on. After all it is the same engine that Toyota/Lexus has been using for years. The 300H may be the exception as I'm no pro at hybrids in any way and they may require something more with the electrical systems. Overall in general the standard maintenance: oil changes, flushes, belts etc. are just as easy to work on as any other car; thanks to Lexus/ Toyota keeping the consumer in mind...
Hope it helps!
10-30-13, 02:56 PM
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Are BG Car Products useful ?
I took my 2010 ES350 to an independent, reliable service center for the 30,000 service and they recommended doing the BG product treatments, saying that I would get some additional lifetime warranty for the systems that were treated.
It seemed a bit costly but I really don't know since this is the 1st major maintenance that we have had done and the Lexus prices for the same maintenance items might have been just as costly. Prices are/were:
I had these done
1) Brakes $115.00
2) Power steering $115.00
and these were suggested
1) Cooling system $149.00 - $169.00
2) Fuel/Air $179.00
3) Transmission $269.00
I don't know how these prices would compare with the normal Lexus service for these items but I am really looking for your experiences with this product/service.
If it is only marginally more than the Lexus service then I think I will get it.
I will need to get them done before 36,000 miles and repeat them every 30,000 miles in order to get the warranty.
So, what do you think ?
It seemed a bit costly but I really don't know since this is the 1st major maintenance that we have had done and the Lexus prices for the same maintenance items might have been just as costly. Prices are/were:
I had these done
1) Brakes $115.00
2) Power steering $115.00
and these were suggested
1) Cooling system $149.00 - $169.00
2) Fuel/Air $179.00
3) Transmission $269.00
I don't know how these prices would compare with the normal Lexus service for these items but I am really looking for your experiences with this product/service.
If it is only marginally more than the Lexus service then I think I will get it.
I will need to get them done before 36,000 miles and repeat them every 30,000 miles in order to get the warranty.
So, what do you think ?
10-31-13, 09:06 AM
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Once a year I would only do the injector service (myself) using SeaFoam and once I've used BG44 for it. The other parts I maintain with regular fluid changes using high quality fluids. IMO, there is no need for special treatments that you are looking at. Save your $$ for other things...
10-31-13, 09:16 AM
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Once a year I would only do the injector service (myself) using SeaFoam and once I've used BG44 for it. The other parts I maintain with regular fluid changes using high quality fluids. IMO, there is no need for special treatments that you are looking at. Save your $$ for other things...