How BIG is the Problem???
04-20-07, 07:54 PM
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I really dont know what to make of this to be honest with you.
I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
You are talking the few who come on these boards to try to find others with the same problem, meanwhile there are tens of thousands of satisfied owners out there with flawless transmissions- like myself.
My service guys should be actors, because when I mention the transmission problems to them they seem like they are hearing it for the first time.
The wind noise has to go though, thats one thing that irks me when I want to enjoy a nice quiet ride without the radio on. Im told they are working on a few things for it, but its months away.
I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
You are talking the few who come on these boards to try to find others with the same problem, meanwhile there are tens of thousands of satisfied owners out there with flawless transmissions- like myself.
My service guys should be actors, because when I mention the transmission problems to them they seem like they are hearing it for the first time.
The wind noise has to go though, thats one thing that irks me when I want to enjoy a nice quiet ride without the radio on. Im told they are working on a few things for it, but its months away.
04-20-07, 08:05 PM
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I have some suggestions.
I think it's time for you to change your username to something like:
HondaBob, or AccordBob......or something that identifiies you more accurately. Also, update your profile, since it still says you own an ES350. LOL
04-20-07, 10:39 PM
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id highly recommend the Kia Amanti, full size luxury sedan, best warranty in its class, fully loaded with everything except NAV. for 30-32k its not a bad buy, im considering one for myself, looks kinda like a bently from the back and a mercedes e-class from the front, if i ever get one first thing ima do is debadge!
04-20-07, 10:49 PM
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if I were shopping around for a new car, I'd be scared as hell to buy the Es350.
I know the percentage is a minority, and I don't have a transmission slip, but I won't be so lucky if i did it a 2nd time.
I had one loaner car slip like crazy. that thing felt rickity, like the Space Mountain ride at Disneyland,.... and gave me an idea of what mine would be like after 20k miles or so...
I know the percentage is a minority, and I don't have a transmission slip, but I won't be so lucky if i did it a 2nd time.
I had one loaner car slip like crazy. that thing felt rickity, like the Space Mountain ride at Disneyland,.... and gave me an idea of what mine would be like after 20k miles or so...
04-21-07, 04:44 AM
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Since you were one of the first to post about and complain about wind noise in the ES350 last year, maybe instead of the above off topic response, you could have spent your energy more productively by helping one of your new members @ Lexus Owners Club where you are a moderator, which by the way, is a ghost town by comparison to the popularity of Club Lexus. Maybe it's the repeated "fun" at member expense that has it a ghost town over there.
http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums...howtopic=36688
04-21-07, 04:57 AM
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Hi,
I've had mine for 11 months and 9500 miles. I am very happy with it.
I have a loaner ES350 today because mine is in for the 10,000 mile service. I'll never get used to oil lasting over 3000 miles. I have an April 06 build date, as does the loaner I have today. Mine is a UL black/black, this one is a gold with the cashmere interior and I think a PP (it has a rear shade). It rattles less than my car, has the same amount of road noise, has the same peppy engine, and the stereo isn't half bad for a stock system.
It has one other feature. It has the transmission flare! It flared between 3rd and 4th, about 800 RPM. It scared me too, like the feeling when you see those red lights in your rear view mirror. Thank goodness it only did it once; on the first shift from 3rd to 4th. I can now understand why you guys don't want to keep this car when it does this.
Mine does not do this. Please understand that this issue is not ubiquitous throughout the model year. Others out here do not have this issue either. That being said, I do have other issues like Mrs. Lexus ideas of how to be safe while driving, but I still like the car. But like a silk purse and a sows ear, you cannot have an LS460 for the price of an ES350. I like my ES350 and I am having a great Lexus experience.
I've had mine for 11 months and 9500 miles. I am very happy with it.
I have a loaner ES350 today because mine is in for the 10,000 mile service. I'll never get used to oil lasting over 3000 miles. I have an April 06 build date, as does the loaner I have today. Mine is a UL black/black, this one is a gold with the cashmere interior and I think a PP (it has a rear shade). It rattles less than my car, has the same amount of road noise, has the same peppy engine, and the stereo isn't half bad for a stock system.
It has one other feature. It has the transmission flare! It flared between 3rd and 4th, about 800 RPM. It scared me too, like the feeling when you see those red lights in your rear view mirror. Thank goodness it only did it once; on the first shift from 3rd to 4th. I can now understand why you guys don't want to keep this car when it does this.
Mine does not do this. Please understand that this issue is not ubiquitous throughout the model year. Others out here do not have this issue either. That being said, I do have other issues like Mrs. Lexus ideas of how to be safe while driving, but I still like the car. But like a silk purse and a sows ear, you cannot have an LS460 for the price of an ES350. I like my ES350 and I am having a great Lexus experience.
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04-21-07, 08:01 AM
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So after 7 months of ownership, I experienced "the flare" this morning. I was late to the train, so I gunned it out of my driveway with a cold engine. While it was a bit awkward, I'm not about to run to the dealer and complain about it. Bottom line, this Camry/ES tranny is just a P.O.S. I'll think I'll learn to live with this "problem".
04-21-07, 09:14 AM
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I really dont know what to make of this to be honest with you.
I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
You are talking the few who come on these boards to try to find others with the same problem, meanwhile there are tens of thousands of satisfied owners out there with flawless transmissions- like myself.
My service guys should be actors, because when I mention the transmission problems to them they seem like they are hearing it for the first time.
The wind noise has to go though, thats one thing that irks me when I want to enjoy a nice quiet ride without the radio on. Im told they are working on a few things for it, but its months away.
I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
You are talking the few who come on these boards to try to find others with the same problem, meanwhile there are tens of thousands of satisfied owners out there with flawless transmissions- like myself.
My service guys should be actors, because when I mention the transmission problems to them they seem like they are hearing it for the first time.
The wind noise has to go though, thats one thing that irks me when I want to enjoy a nice quiet ride without the radio on. Im told they are working on a few things for it, but its months away.
I remember talking about the oil sludging issue, or rather trying to talk about it, with the internet sales manager when my mom bought her RX and he was all "Really, we haven't seen any of that on this model." and "The first time a customer had brought it up." Which when you parse them are clever ways to avoid talking about the problem candidly. But when he saw our '92 Previa (he was a former Toyota salesman) and I said that CR says it had rock solid reliability, he volunteered that the lousy crash numbers, high price and lack of a six cylinder had done it in.
So they are all actors.
04-21-07, 10:09 AM
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So after 7 months of ownership, I experienced "the flare" this morning. I was late to the train, so I gunned it out of my driveway with a cold engine. While it was a bit awkward, I'm not about to run to the dealer and complain about it. Bottom line, this Camry/ES tranny is just a P.O.S. I'll think I'll learn to live with this "problem".
I find it extremely difficult to believe the Toyota engineers have not solved this problem after one year.
04-21-07, 12:54 PM
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So after 7 months of ownership, I experienced "the flare" this morning. I was late to the train, so I gunned it out of my driveway with a cold engine. While it was a bit awkward, I'm not about to run to the dealer and complain about it. Bottom line, this Camry/ES tranny is just a P.O.S. I'll think I'll learn to live with this "problem".
04-21-07, 04:08 PM
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I'm still laughing at this post! It doesn't make sense that you think that a transmission slipping is not really a problem but you really think the wind noise is an issue?!? By the same logic, my old es350 never had the wind noise, so your car must not have the wind noise either. Doh!!!! LOL!
Original question: how bad is the trans problem? Original poster says 50% off some web site said yes its a problem.
MY POST : I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
WHERE did I say its not an issue?
Im saying they sell a ton of cars and there is not a line of them in the service center. That I dont have the problem with the transmission BUT that the wind noise has to go.
Learn to read, I was answering the original question.
DOH !!
04-21-07, 04:26 PM
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obviously you did not read the post too well.
Original question: how bad is the trans problem? Original poster says 50% off some web site said yes its a problem.
MY POST : I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
WHERE did I say its not an issue?
Im saying they sell a ton of cars and there is not a line of them in the service center. That I dont have the problem with the transmission BUT that the wind noise has to go.
Learn to read, I was answering the original question.
DOH !!
Original question: how bad is the trans problem? Original poster says 50% off some web site said yes its a problem.
MY POST : I go to my dealer and there is not a line of pissed off ES owners with bad transmissions. They sold over 70k of these cars last year- I dont think there is 35,000 of them bought back and sitting in lots with transmissions that can never be fixed.
WHERE did I say its not an issue?
Im saying they sell a ton of cars and there is not a line of them in the service center. That I dont have the problem with the transmission BUT that the wind noise has to go.
Learn to read, I was answering the original question.
DOH !!
04-21-07, 04:29 PM
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Unless you're like me... Once it happens I gotta make it keep happening. I got so good at it that it did it every day for me, on cue.
04-21-07, 05:14 PM
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lets put it another way.
being generous would we say there are 10,000 Camry and ES owners as members of these websites?
Out of that lets say it is half that has a problem- so now we are at 5000?
Out of all the cars built/sold- is it a wide scale problem? I would say no.
Is it a major issue with the car? ABSOLUTELY.
I would think the average Camry and ES owner does not surf the web to talk about thier incredibly exciting Camry or ES- they are not cars for car enthusiasts, they are transportation.
Now if they DID have a problem then maybe they say "let me see if I can find more people like me", so they may end up here.
So why am I here? I know about forums, I check them out hoping to get information from others.
It may shock alot of you to know most people do not know of or frequent discussion forums of any type, let alone one for a car like the ES or Camry.
being generous would we say there are 10,000 Camry and ES owners as members of these websites?
Out of that lets say it is half that has a problem- so now we are at 5000?
Out of all the cars built/sold- is it a wide scale problem? I would say no.
Is it a major issue with the car? ABSOLUTELY.
I would think the average Camry and ES owner does not surf the web to talk about thier incredibly exciting Camry or ES- they are not cars for car enthusiasts, they are transportation.
Now if they DID have a problem then maybe they say "let me see if I can find more people like me", so they may end up here.
So why am I here? I know about forums, I check them out hoping to get information from others.
It may shock alot of you to know most people do not know of or frequent discussion forums of any type, let alone one for a car like the ES or Camry.
04-21-07, 06:44 PM
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lets put it another way.
being generous would we say there are 10,000 Camry and ES owners as members of these websites?
Out of that lets say it is half that has a problem- so now we are at 5000?
Out of all the cars built/sold- is it a wide scale problem? I would say no.
Is it a major issue with the car? ABSOLUTELY.
I would think the average Camry and ES owner does not surf the web to talk about thier incredibly exciting Camry or ES- they are not cars for car enthusiasts, they are transportation.
Now if they DID have a problem then maybe they say "let me see if I can find more people like me", so they may end up here.
So why am I here? I know about forums, I check them out hoping to get information from others.
It may shock alot of you to know most people do not know of or frequent discussion forums of any type, let alone one for a car like the ES or Camry.
being generous would we say there are 10,000 Camry and ES owners as members of these websites?
Out of that lets say it is half that has a problem- so now we are at 5000?
Out of all the cars built/sold- is it a wide scale problem? I would say no.
Is it a major issue with the car? ABSOLUTELY.
I would think the average Camry and ES owner does not surf the web to talk about thier incredibly exciting Camry or ES- they are not cars for car enthusiasts, they are transportation.
Now if they DID have a problem then maybe they say "let me see if I can find more people like me", so they may end up here.
So why am I here? I know about forums, I check them out hoping to get information from others.
It may shock alot of you to know most people do not know of or frequent discussion forums of any type, let alone one for a car like the ES or Camry.
So let's get back to numbers...
No?