Lexus Removes Trans TSIB and Calls Trans Slipping a Normal Characteristic
#61
The mating? No problem with the actual mating. Toyota has only ever used one mating & mating system on all of it's v6's. You can mate the original 2.0L 1vz-fe to the newest U transmission, or the original v6 M/T E52 transmission to the newest GR block engines.
AFA the transmission problems since the turn of the century. Toyota doesn't make transmissions. Asian-Warner does the transmissions, and until drive-by-wire, they had done an extremely good job.
Honda, on the other hand. Has historically had long-term duration problems with all of their v6 transaxles.
The germans have no better of a reputation for long-term durability in automatic transmissions.
AFA the transmission problems since the turn of the century. Toyota doesn't make transmissions. Asian-Warner does the transmissions, and until drive-by-wire, they had done an extremely good job.
Honda, on the other hand. Has historically had long-term duration problems with all of their v6 transaxles.
The germans have no better of a reputation for long-term durability in automatic transmissions.
#62
Pheonix - thanks for your info here. It's a hot topic as its dragged on for so long, and the story from Lexus keeps changing.
I guess we'll see in the coming week(s) what the real story is.
I guess we'll see in the coming week(s) what the real story is.
#63
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Probably a little off/on topic. One of my best friends just got off the lease with his 3-series BMW, and was shopping for a new "lease" of a $35k car. He just got into Infinity G35x, and swears that a car feels almost like BMW in terms of performance (including a very tight steering and phat steering wheel ) with a big step up in hp (306hp) and more luxurious interior. Of course, I always win an argument that lease might be OK with BMW or Infiniti, but in a long run - Lexus wins hands down I think ES350 is just a black sheep...
#65
Exaggerating? I don't ever exaggerate. At most, I'm long winded & say the same thing 5 times in 5 different ways if I want to make a point.
Gen6:
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104677
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Gen7:
The TSB on Honda / Acura v6 transmissions.
That's just rescent years. Let's not go back to the mid 90's LoL!
So, you've got the wrong impression about Honda A/T + v6 reliability, if you think they're historically reliable. Almost every year of production has *some* kinda of actual problem.
Gen6:
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104677
VEHICLES AFFECTED
2000-02 3.2TL: All
2003 3.2TL (except Type S):
From VIN 19UUA5…3A000001 thru 19UUA5…3A019556
2003 3.2TL Type S:
From VIN 19UUA5…3A000001 thru 19UUA5…3A019061
2001-02 3.2CL: All
2003 3.2CL (all models):
From VIN 19UYA42…3A000001 thru 19UYA42…3A005203
2000-02 3.2TL: All
2003 3.2TL (except Type S):
From VIN 19UUA5…3A000001 thru 19UUA5…3A019556
2003 3.2TL Type S:
From VIN 19UUA5…3A000001 thru 19UUA5…3A019061
2001-02 3.2CL: All
2003 3.2CL (all models):
From VIN 19UYA42…3A000001 thru 19UYA42…3A005203
Gen7:
The TSB on Honda / Acura v6 transmissions.
VEHICLES AFFECTED
2003 Accord V6 2-Door and 4-Door: All
2004 Accord V6 2-Door: From VIN 1HGCM82..4A000001 thru 1HGCM82..4A007538
2004 Accord V6 4-Door: From VIN 1HGCM66..4A000001 thru 1HGCM66..4A030387 VIN 1HGCM66..4A032783 VIN 1HGCM66..4A036643 VIN 1HGCM66..4A039356 VIN 1HGCM66..4A040381
2003 Accord V6 2-Door and 4-Door: All
2004 Accord V6 2-Door: From VIN 1HGCM82..4A000001 thru 1HGCM82..4A007538
2004 Accord V6 4-Door: From VIN 1HGCM66..4A000001 thru 1HGCM66..4A030387 VIN 1HGCM66..4A032783 VIN 1HGCM66..4A036643 VIN 1HGCM66..4A039356 VIN 1HGCM66..4A040381
So, you've got the wrong impression about Honda A/T + v6 reliability, if you think they're historically reliable. Almost every year of production has *some* kinda of actual problem.
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Exaggerating? I don't ever exaggerate. At most, I'm long winded & say the same thing 5 times in 5 different ways if I want to make a point.
Gen6:
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104677
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Gen7:
The TSB on Honda / Acura v6 transmissions.
That's just rescent years. Let's not go back to the mid 90's LoL!
So, you've got the wrong impression about Honda A/T + v6 reliability, if you think they're historically reliable. Almost every year of production has *some* kinda of actual problem.
Gen6:
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104677
http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Gen7:
The TSB on Honda / Acura v6 transmissions.
That's just rescent years. Let's not go back to the mid 90's LoL!
So, you've got the wrong impression about Honda A/T + v6 reliability, if you think they're historically reliable. Almost every year of production has *some* kinda of actual problem.
Thanks!
#67
oops, soory I think I am off topic.
But then again, so are you.
#68
If you want to be *****y on topic shifts. Take it up with rh26...
#70
Lexus Test Driver
As much as I agree that this topic drifted off, in a way it also serves an educational purpose for some who are still looking to buy a new car and comparing with other models. Ironically, since last year when I joined this CL community, I learned as much about ES/GS as I did about TL/G35/M35 and 3-/5-Series BMW
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When I first read the January 19 TSIB weeks ago, a portion of it, and full Toyota one, I wondered why there was no dialogue whatsoever about what to do as regards VIN # higher than that indicated if they arrive for dealer service, not even a mention of if VIN falls above number indicated then refer to this procedure or refer to this other document.
While it seems it will be a fight for those of us with VIN falling under cutoff VIN # I'm now wondering if the reason there is nothing indicated for higher VIN # is because they intend to pretend there is no issue at all with those of higher VIN when we know there is according to some member input.
Has anybody with a VIN higher than cutoff asked about this? Because to me it is odd there is no mention of what to do for a vehicle with a higher VIN than that for cutoff.
While it seems it will be a fight for those of us with VIN falling under cutoff VIN # I'm now wondering if the reason there is nothing indicated for higher VIN # is because they intend to pretend there is no issue at all with those of higher VIN when we know there is according to some member input.
Has anybody with a VIN higher than cutoff asked about this? Because to me it is odd there is no mention of what to do for a vehicle with a higher VIN than that for cutoff.
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Read it and cheer...
I sincerely hope this makes some of you much happier with your ES 350.
Originally Posted by TIS
Title: 3RD - 4TH GEAR SHIFT FLARE
Models: ’07 ES 350
Technical Service Information Bulletin
January 19, 2007
TC001-07
TSIB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSIB supercedes TSIB No. TC004–06. TSIB No. TC004–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded. Some customers may experience a shift flare of up to 1000 RPM between the 3rd and 4th gear shift point during the first ten minutes of operation after a cold start. Follow the
repair procedure in this bulletin to address customer concerns.
NOTE: This TSIB ONLY applies to vehicles that have been confirmed to have the customer concern listed above. Follow the drive pattern specified in the Repair Procedure to determine if this TSIB applies.
2007 model year ES 350 vehicles produced BEFORE the Production Change
Effective VIN shown below.
PRODUCTION CHANGE EFFECTIVE VIN: JTHBJ46G#72064871
CURRENT PART NUMBER -- PART NAME -- QTY
30510–33530 -- Automatic Transaxle Assembly -- W/Torque Converter -- 1
00289–ATFWS -- ATF WS -- 5.6 qts (5.3 liters, 4.7 Imp. qts)
Models: ’07 ES 350
Technical Service Information Bulletin
January 19, 2007
TC001-07
TSIB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSIB supercedes TSIB No. TC004–06. TSIB No. TC004–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded. Some customers may experience a shift flare of up to 1000 RPM between the 3rd and 4th gear shift point during the first ten minutes of operation after a cold start. Follow the
repair procedure in this bulletin to address customer concerns.
NOTE: This TSIB ONLY applies to vehicles that have been confirmed to have the customer concern listed above. Follow the drive pattern specified in the Repair Procedure to determine if this TSIB applies.
2007 model year ES 350 vehicles produced BEFORE the Production Change
Effective VIN shown below.
PRODUCTION CHANGE EFFECTIVE VIN: JTHBJ46G#72064871
CURRENT PART NUMBER -- PART NAME -- QTY
30510–33530 -- Automatic Transaxle Assembly -- W/Torque Converter -- 1
00289–ATFWS -- ATF WS -- 5.6 qts (5.3 liters, 4.7 Imp. qts)
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The thread hasn’t completed it mission yet. The purpose of this thread is to seek out additional information pertaining to a possible Lexus change in polices in regards to the transmissions negative performance to date. For example a flare is not a normal function in a healthy transmission. Owner may feel they deserved a normal operating transmission as other have pointed out they have none of the problems. The current process offered by Lexus is to come to a resolution to correct the problem and make the customer happy. If it is true that a change in police is under way at this time to change from resolution to a non-resolution posture many owner will be at a disadvantage with no buy back, no replacement car, no replacement transmission and no way out. It’s a serious matter. It’s better to be at the front of the herd (having the info) then at the rear. Once the pending polices direction is confirmed either way the thread would have severed it purpose.
Just my .38 cents worth.
Just my .38 cents worth.