ES350Bob

Alan,

I hope you consider that simply because owners mention something about their vehicle it does not mean they paint the entirety of the vehicle in the same light as that they mention, it does not need be viewed as an all or nothing.

The haunted/karma thread proves I'm right about that. In a way it reads as though like a reflection of our problems with poll, roughly 2/3 indicate one issue or other and roughly 1/3 no issue from day of ownership. The IMPORTANT and very noteworthy thing is that those who mention an issue are gracious enough not to tar the entire vehicle with a narrow view as a result of having had one issue or another with the car, they like it otherwise.

Reviews by pros, or review-like comments by members, IMO usually do not address/reflect the entirety of the held view about the vehicle as a whole considering all it's features.

PsychDoc

Unfortunately, guys like Alan do nothing to advance the design of vehicles. They either "love 'em or hate 'em." Reminds me of when I was a kid. Any criticism of the US' role in Vietnam was equated with being "anti-American."


Too bad. And so short sighted.

There's much to like about the ES350 and more than a lot not to.

But you have to be open minded to see that.

amf1932

Do you honestly feel that the negative input of the few is going to sway the future evolution of automobiles in general......I think not!

PsychDoc

How do you think cars have gotten to where they are now?

If people were content buying junk that's all that would be on the market.

Competition is a wonderful thing and I can most certainly assure you that the complaints of the [not so] "few" are heard and heeded by the car manufacturers.

Net result...better vehicles.

widlfiresd

Apprently not since Lexus is still putting cassette decks in cars along with Honda. I am frankly surprised they do not offer 8 track tape as well.

LexBob2

As with any discussion, there are two points of view. I'm sure there would be owners who'd say, how about a cassette deck in the car. I have a lot of old tapes I'd like to be able to play. Kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

terryes

You absolutely know your on the right side of the debate when someone brings up the Vietnam war to refute your side.

garsarno

All I know is the following:

2007 Grand Cherokee Limited Hemi - picked up 12/23 - no trans flare, no cold knock noise, no quality issues / no return to the dealer with 1,800 miles.

2007 Impala SS - picked up 1/27 - no trans flare, no cold knock noise with 200 miles.

2007 Lexus ES350 - picked up 10/07 - trans flare, cold knock noise with 3,500 miles. New transmission and still has "fuel injection noise - diagnosed by the service manager" but still sounds like valve / lifter noise. Takes 20 minutes of driving after zero degree cold start to not hear the noise.

But... Best ride, ML sound system, quietness over the other two - Lexus ES350.

15951

Give the Chrysler product some time. Mine left me stranded three times with less than 5,000 miles, and the dealer refused to offer me a loaner because it was a Sunday. Keep in mind that I paid an extra $2k for the "preferred care" extended warranty. The guy that operated the dealer shuttle Mon-Fri got to know me on a first name basis, and when I called he came to pick me up without directions because he'd been here so many times.

Good luck!

widlfiresd

If you do a search on this board, you will find owners that have been stranded by their Lexus as well. I would not judge a car company because my car died on me. It is a fluke in most cases.

terryes

Okay, I'll bite. Where on this board will I find the owners that have been stranded by their ES350 ----BEFORE HAVING THEIR TRANNYS REPLACED???

widlfiresd

I have seen some posts regarding the Hybrids that died on folks. I believe the RX400h. I was not referring to the ES350 specifically although it is loaded with its own issues at the moment.

terryes

Sorry, didn't mean to force the issue. But, from what I've seen thus far, the ES350 is a MOST reliable car. Again, pardon my tone

Kaius88

why are we even comparing American non-luxury brands with a Japanese luxury brand??? I'm sure I could have gotten a Yugo or a Pinto to run smoothly for 1000 miles back in the days, but what does that prove??? People buy Japanese cars for their value and technology. People buy american cars because....uh.... I don't know why but apparently in the mid-west there are more american cars around than foreign cars. I think american cars might be better looking, but traditionally they are lesser in quality and a lot louder. That's my experience. Lexus is still building the most reliable cars around, despite the numerous complaints on the newer models. I guess it sucks more when it is happening to you...i can totally relate. Thats the risk you take for adopting new technology. I can attest that, if everything works right, the ES350 is a dream-of-a-car.

Whats the deal with vietnam? I wasnt born yet, but what does that have to do with tranny flares????

widlfiresd