OneHotES3

Is the ES300 really just a more expensive version of the Camry??? What are your thoughts!!

meZoom!

Yes and no but IMO more of a "yes" than "no." we've discussed this many a time here....sometimes the argument doesn't get too far.
Being a more expensive camry doesn't downplay the ES necessarily, either.
A camry is not a bad car to start off with in the first place. AND....if you ride both, you can tell the differences. I'll just say that much.

OneHotES3

thats a good answer. I mean we all know that the ES is technically a Toyota, as is in the same matter that an Acura is a Honda and an Infiniti is a Nissan. But, I do believe that the ES is much better then the Camry and is worth the extra doe. But, the Camry is a great car, no doubt about it. But the ES is DEFINTELY not "just" an overpriced Camry.....

Any other views?

meZoom!

so there you go, you answered your own question!!
....and to add, I'd buy an ES for its looks too. Questionable for the camry though (if my budget was for a camry, i might get something else).

flipside909

If you look at it from a point of view with common sense...both cars are targeted towards different markets. Yes the ES/Windom is a derivative of the Camry, but both are targeted towards different people and their needs . It's like comparing apples with oranges. The Camry will obviously appeal to the masses because it's most affordable, plus it fits the needs of many households...which explains why it's the best selling car in America for several years now. The ES will appeal to those who want a luxury nameplate at a bargain price. You really can't compare the two on saying which one is best because not everyone will agree that the Camry is the better car or the ES is the better car. You get the picture.

Like MeZoom explained before...this topic has been discussed in the past. I suggest you use the search function next time.

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j2tha0e

really however, i don't see a similarity except very little with the body style.
the es has it's own identity. take off the badges and anyone will still be able to tell which is an es and which is a camery.
interior wise....TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
so....built on the same platform....ok.
other than that....ride in a camery and then in an es and anyone that think's the es is just an upgraded camry has some serious problems.

ripe911

If you compare the 1996 Es300 with the same year Camry you will see major differences. I will point out just a few for you

1. The Es300 has no frames around the windows while the Camry has them.
2. Any Audio geek knows how hard it is to install wires running from the battery all the way to the trunk. All the thick padding you have to go through. While with the Camry you can run a wire without drilling a hole or taking out the back seat
3. Run your hands over the Es300 paint and then the Camrys paint and you will see what I am talking about.
4. The head lights are a major difference. Tinted lense with bulbs embedded inside the cylinders. For the mid-90s it was rare for a car to have stuff like this.
5. Anyone who has ever taken the lexus apart in many places, like the doors, dash board, fuse box, can see how much crafty work was put into making the ride more smoother.

If you put the Nissan Maxima side by side with an Infintiy I30 you will see many more similarities between them than you do with the Es300 and the Camry.

Toysrme

Whatever floats you boat. To each his own.

As they said above in a different light:
You shouldn't confuse a good product with a good product made superior.

At some point you grow up finding that yes "Some upgraded products that are in a higher class really should be there and they do compete very well".

So my ES 300 is a Carmy in mink clothing...

My question to anyone **** enough to bring it up is:

Who gives a F***, It's what I wanted, and that's all that matters. If I'd have wanted something differance I'd have spent my money on something different. Noone really has any right to question what I want, or what I bought.

FAI The fact that my Lexus is at heart a Toyota only makes the car better in my eye.

Notice that Lexus from 93-03 in Industry reports not only lead JD Power scores BY INSANE AMOUNTS (76 complaints per 100 new customers in 03, next closes is more than 20 ahead(Cadillac for anyone interested go caddy!) AND That they've been the most reliable brand for major/minor repairs every year since '93. (maybe before, but I never looked that up)

Some people don't like certain products/companies... Then again, once you get to looking, a good number of those people never "grow up" to realize they may not be the target audience :\

EGainer

why does anybody answer his questions, this is like the 5th name he has made after he was banned. all he does it post things like this and that engine bay thing. and that crappy "my roommate stole my car and put it online" thing....

Toysrme

That wasn't meant to be negative to you OneHot, just to the "type" of people that it applies to.

steviej

iTrader: (1)

I had a gut instict he was back,
Thanks for the confirmation/validation Eric.

steviej

EGainer

flipside pointed it out first, but you notice he starts threads that have no point or are meant to get an arguement going. i say just ignore him, i think he has no life if he is still making these stupid posts on here even after he was banned. what a waste of time...