Increasing bore and stroke on 1998 es300
07-21-15, 05:31 PM
#1
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Increasing bore and stroke on 1998 es300
Hello fellow Lexus owners im looking at get this kit and other parts without turbo or supercharger in mind just increase power NA importperformanceHPkit and I'm looking at ported the intake and exhaust valves on all cylinders and getting the knife edging done to my crankshaft that the site offers as well as the HP torque converter and HP transmission rebuild kit I'm looking at increasing power and performance and reliability I am wondering if anyone else has bored there block/ re-sleeved it and what amount of increase is needed for some nice gains and also on increasing the stroke how much of increase is ideal?
Any help would be greatly appreciated and if you only have "the es300 isn't meant for speed or power" don't bother posting thank you
Any help would be greatly appreciated and if you only have "the es300 isn't meant for speed or power" don't bother posting thank you
07-21-15, 06:21 PM
#3
Lexus Champion
Easier and cheaper to install a 3MZ-FE.
07-21-15, 07:49 PM
#5
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I cant find a kit for the ES, only the GS, http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...pek-lexus.html
07-21-15, 08:39 PM
#6
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how much power do you want ? why ?
Lets just say, you want 500hp/500nm. because. So, then you need to upgrade the crappy es300 brakes, and do something about the handling, which is at best boat like. You'll spend as much on the body (handling/brakes), as you will on the engine.
Lets just say you want 700hp/700nm, because power. So, you then need to install new cv's, and brakes, and gearbox, and the handling. You might spend more on the body, that you do on the engine.
Ok, I made that point twice. But what I'm trying to say, is the ES300 is a luxury car, it's front wheel drive, so it's not that easy to modify, and it's not well equipped to start with.
that said, .. if it were me. I would twin turbo using a compound turbo charging set up, with a ratio compressor. That way you can leave the factory auto in place and just have it rebuild for the power. (less shock with this set up). You'd only need to decompress the engine, and if you keep it under 400-500hp, the factory rods and crank would be fine, heck so would the pistons, you'd only need decompression plates. (2mm head gaskets). Add an aftermarket ecu, bigger injectors and intercooler with water sprayer, pretty simple.
Lets just say, you want 500hp/500nm. because. So, then you need to upgrade the crappy es300 brakes, and do something about the handling, which is at best boat like. You'll spend as much on the body (handling/brakes), as you will on the engine.
Lets just say you want 700hp/700nm, because power. So, you then need to install new cv's, and brakes, and gearbox, and the handling. You might spend more on the body, that you do on the engine.
Ok, I made that point twice. But what I'm trying to say, is the ES300 is a luxury car, it's front wheel drive, so it's not that easy to modify, and it's not well equipped to start with.
that said, .. if it were me. I would twin turbo using a compound turbo charging set up, with a ratio compressor. That way you can leave the factory auto in place and just have it rebuild for the power. (less shock with this set up). You'd only need to decompress the engine, and if you keep it under 400-500hp, the factory rods and crank would be fine, heck so would the pistons, you'd only need decompression plates. (2mm head gaskets). Add an aftermarket ecu, bigger injectors and intercooler with water sprayer, pretty simple.
07-21-15, 09:06 PM
#7
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how much power do you want ? why ?
Lets just say, you want 500hp/500nm. because. So, then y byou need to upgrade the crappy es300 brakes, and do something about the handling, which is at best boat like. You'll spend as much on the body (handling/brakes), as you will on the engine.
Lets just say you want 700hp/700nm, because power. So, you then need to install new cv's, and brakes, and gearbox, and the handling. You might spend more on the body, that you do on the engine.
Ok, I made that point twice. But what I'm trying to say, is the ES300 is a luxury car, it's front wheel drive, so it's not that easy to modify, and it's not well equipped to start with.
that said, .. if it were me. I would twin turbo using a compound turbo charging set up, with a ratio compressor. That way you can leave the factory auto in place and just have it rebuild for the power. (less shock with this set up). You'd only need to decompress the engine, and if you keep it under 400-500hp, the factory rods and crank would be fine, heck so would the pistons, you'd only need decompression plates. (2mm head gaskets). Add an aftermarket ecu, bigger injectors and intercooler with water sprayer, pretty simple.
Marc's 2JZ Turbo Compound Setup - YouTube
Lets just say, you want 500hp/500nm. because. So, then y byou need to upgrade the crappy es300 brakes, and do something about the handling, which is at best boat like. You'll spend as much on the body (handling/brakes), as you will on the engine.
Lets just say you want 700hp/700nm, because power. So, you then need to install new cv's, and brakes, and gearbox, and the handling. You might spend more on the body, that you do on the engine.
Ok, I made that point twice. But what I'm trying to say, is the ES300 is a luxury car, it's front wheel drive, so it's not that easy to modify, and it's not well equipped to start with.
that said, .. if it were me. I would twin turbo using a compound turbo charging set up, with a ratio compressor. That way you can leave the factory auto in place and just have it rebuild for the power. (less shock with this set up). You'd only need to decompress the engine, and if you keep it under 400-500hp, the factory rods and crank would be fine, heck so would the pistons, you'd only need decompression plates. (2mm head gaskets). Add an aftermarket ecu, bigger injectors and intercooler with water sprayer, pretty simple.
Marc's 2JZ Turbo Compound Setup - YouTube
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07-21-15, 10:36 PM
#9
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I read all that. no offence, but you seem to be floating your dream on here. I have dreams too, .. they usually involve supermodels and a different kind of lubrication. Oh well .. perhaps one day,
Naomi Campbell, if you're reading this my wife says I can get a pass for one night .. call me.
I pointing out it's a luxury car, as a frame of reference to capabilities. I have no idea if you've really thought this through, .. it doesn't seem like it.
The 1mz-fe Output is 168–190 hp @ 5200–5400 rpm with 183–193 lb·ft of torque at 4400 rpm stock. The chances of you getting 400hp (a 120% increase), without boost, is slim, .. to none. People struggle to make 330hp (n/a) with the 1uz-fe.
when I asked you why, and what; you're trying to do, .. those were real good things for you to think about. It's very hard to achieve something if you don't know what you're trying to do.
Honestly, if I were you I'd pick another car, with a better base to start with. Say, and Audi A8, or an RS4.
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07-22-15, 08:36 AM
#10
The es300 isn't meant for speed or power, if you're actually serious and not just blowing smoke, all you'd be doing is throwing a whole lot of money into a car that is unsuitable for the purpose.
On the other hand, two posts, 321 words, one period. That has to be some kind of record.
On the other hand, two posts, 321 words, one period. That has to be some kind of record.
07-22-15, 10:49 AM
#11
Lexus Champion
...oh and 400hp N/A lol you are going to double the power output without forced induction. Good one.
07-22-15, 12:42 PM
#12
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Ok Irishman88. I can tell you that a 500 hp build out of the 3.0 is very possible. I build engines for a living. I tend to love the 3.0's because everybody passes them off as slugs when their an excellent starting point for a build. But hate to burst your bubble you wont be able to build a reliable 3.0 at 500 hp with no forced induction. You would have to bore it too far out to make up the ground you would loose not going with forced induction. Hence going with a reliable turbo boring it 30 40 over and custom ground cams you could easily get 500 hp out of it. But it takes time and patience in setting up engine right. Custom ECU tuning will be your biggest enemy in the end. Finding a shop willing to do the hours required on the dino to find the best tune will make you or break the engine build. The tune will make you or break you. I built a 3.0 that would pull 500 horses all day on the dino two years ago for a guy who owned a Toyota. Lets just say money wasnt an issue for this guy.
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07-22-15, 03:00 PM
#13
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I'm not really in love with the intake design on the 1MZ-FE, but the lower intake is very usable. A replacement upper, with a more direct route would help with power. Polish the ports, decompress it, add some nicely matched garret turbo's, and keep the power to about 300hp/400nm, it'd be a rocket ship and there'd be no need to look over the factory gearbox or brakes.
Personally, I'd never modify an ES300, there's better cars to start from. It's good just as it is, for what it was intended to be, a luxury cruiser. But, people modify all sorts of cars so power to him. He sounds like a a dreamer, a 'blow hard' as we call them down under.
07-22-15, 04:08 PM
#14
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Every few months a thread pops up about a guy that is going to put uber power into a family sedan, they're told hold on now you can't do it so easily in fact it will take a huge effort and big money. They cry foul and all that and guess what, we never hear from them again. There HAVE been a few guys that did it, but they are rare and very talented tuners with a lot of money to back it up.
