View Poll Results: Do you think Lexus is moving in the right direction with the design of the CT 200h?
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Officially Official: for US Market CT 200h
03-26-10, 11:09 PM
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...but them describing this car as "fun" while only being equal to the Prius in power is utter nonsense. the hs is a slug and its got more power. i don't expect a racecar at a low pricepoint, but it REALLY needs to BE fun in order for me to get one...and i'd really like to get one.
I think a hybrid setup with the 2.5L IS250 engine would be nice. Since it would be coupled with the electric motors, it will put out more HP than it does in its current setup (204hp) ... im hoping it would be in the ~235-240 hp territory
03-27-10, 08:42 PM
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sure, lexus has got some upmarket models, but will upmarket buyers want to be in the same dealership as the downmarket cars?
Im not saying this is my opinion, but I can see how these lower models may tarnish the luxury nameplate that lexus has come to be known as in the US. While it is true that in the past 3 years we have seen the LS, LX, etc etc, in the past year, we have only seen the HS, a lower priced RX, the ISC, and the CT which are all arguably "down" market
Im not saying this is my opinion, but I can see how these lower models may tarnish the luxury nameplate that lexus has come to be known as in the US. While it is true that in the past 3 years we have seen the LS, LX, etc etc, in the past year, we have only seen the HS, a lower priced RX, the ISC, and the CT which are all arguably "down" market
03-29-10, 11:41 AM
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Well, the CT is definitely part of the downmarket. I'm not sure how they even market the CT as a fun, nimble car while using the same powerplant as the Prius. Plus, the heavier CT will make that engine seem even less powerful. I can imagine when two people try to race the Prius vs CT head on just for the sake of it, and the Prius winning.
Let's not forget the lack of power-adjustable seats in a luxury, Lexus car! Really? Really? No power seats in a luxury car?
Let's not forget the lack of power-adjustable seats in a luxury, Lexus car! Really? Really? No power seats in a luxury car?
03-29-10, 01:53 PM
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Well, the CT is definitely part of the downmarket. I'm not sure how they even market the CT as a fun, nimble car while using the same powerplant as the Prius. Plus, the heavier CT will make that engine seem even less powerful. I can imagine when two people try to race the Prius vs CT head on just for the sake of it, and the Prius winning.
Let's not forget the lack of power-adjustable seats in a luxury, Lexus car! Really? Really? No power seats in a luxury car?
Let's not forget the lack of power-adjustable seats in a luxury, Lexus car! Really? Really? No power seats in a luxury car?
But as for your other concerns they are completely valid, and that could make or break the car.
04-01-10, 01:04 PM
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Well, the CT is definitely part of the downmarket. I'm not sure how they even market the CT as a fun, nimble car while using the same powerplant as the Prius. Plus, the heavier CT will make that engine seem even less powerful. I can imagine when two people try to race the Prius vs CT head on just for the sake of it, and the Prius winning.
Let's not forget the lack of power-adjustable seats in a luxury, Lexus car! Really? Really? No power seats in a luxury car?
Let's not forget the lack of power-adjustable seats in a luxury, Lexus car! Really? Really? No power seats in a luxury car?
Also, can you tell us how you know the CT's curb weight? You must have some great inside sources
.Your post is full of unwarranted assumptions, and very lacking in facts.
04-02-10, 08:19 AM
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You're right, I do not know the curb weight since Lexus has conveniently left off only the curb weight number from the website. But I expect it to be heavier due to all the extra stuff the CT has compared to the Prius, ie. more instrumentation inside the cabin (less empty space), hopefully less plastic use inside the cabin, a whole lot of sound dampening material everywhere, 17 in. std. wheels vs 15 in. std. wheels (except for the Prius V version), and the independent double wishbone rear suspension vs the Prius's torsion beam rear suspension.
04-02-10, 08:59 AM
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I honestly like where lexus is going. I understand, it is a high end automaker, and brand prestiege is one of its selling points.
That said, I think its good for them to offer some lower priced, more economical solutions that are within reach of some of the lower middle class. (i.e. cars that cost LESS than 32000 US. even if its only one model).
Is this going to be based off of the Venza platform? or the Prius? or what? Honestly, by the time you completely FULLY load a camry, you might as well have gotten an ES350.
That said, I think its good for them to offer some lower priced, more economical solutions that are within reach of some of the lower middle class. (i.e. cars that cost LESS than 32000 US. even if its only one model).
Is this going to be based off of the Venza platform? or the Prius? or what? Honestly, by the time you completely FULLY load a camry, you might as well have gotten an ES350.
04-02-10, 11:23 AM
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Okay, when I mentioned no power seats, I should've been more specific and said the passenger side does not have power seats. If non-luxury cars have power seats on both sides, I expect a luxury car to do so as well.
You're right, I do not know the curb weight since Lexus has conveniently left off only the curb weight number from the website. But I expect it to be heavier due to all the extra stuff the CT has compared to the Prius, ie. more instrumentation inside the cabin (less empty space), hopefully less plastic use inside the cabin, a whole lot of sound dampening material everywhere, 17 in. std. wheels vs 15 in. std. wheels (except for the Prius V version), and the independent double wishbone rear suspension vs the Prius's torsion beam rear suspension.
You're right, I do not know the curb weight since Lexus has conveniently left off only the curb weight number from the website. But I expect it to be heavier due to all the extra stuff the CT has compared to the Prius, ie. more instrumentation inside the cabin (less empty space), hopefully less plastic use inside the cabin, a whole lot of sound dampening material everywhere, 17 in. std. wheels vs 15 in. std. wheels (except for the Prius V version), and the independent double wishbone rear suspension vs the Prius's torsion beam rear suspension.
As for the curb weight assumptions compared to the Prius, you're not looking at all the facts.
The CT is more than 5 inches shorter than the Prius, less than 1 inch wider, and over 2 inches lower.
Fact is, the CT is quite a bit smaller than the Prius. Any added equipment or technology that the CT has over the Prius will be offset by the fact that the car is smaller. Also I bet the CT uses more aluminum in it's construction than the Prius does, which would also help reduce weight.
Rumor has it that the electric motors in the CT are slightly more powerful than in the Prius.
04-02-10, 11:54 AM
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Passenger power seats might be offered in the future, we shall see.
As for the curb weight assumptions compared to the Prius, you're not looking at all the facts.
The CT is more than 5 inches shorter than the Prius, less than 1 inch wider, and over 2 inches lower.
Fact is, the CT is quite a bit smaller than the Prius. Any added equipment or technology that the CT has over the Prius will be offset by the fact that the car is smaller. Also I bet the CT uses more aluminum in it's construction than the Prius does, which would also help reduce weight.
Rumor has it that the electric motors in the CT are slightly more powerful than in the Prius.
As for the curb weight assumptions compared to the Prius, you're not looking at all the facts.
The CT is more than 5 inches shorter than the Prius, less than 1 inch wider, and over 2 inches lower.
Fact is, the CT is quite a bit smaller than the Prius. Any added equipment or technology that the CT has over the Prius will be offset by the fact that the car is smaller. Also I bet the CT uses more aluminum in it's construction than the Prius does, which would also help reduce weight.
Rumor has it that the electric motors in the CT are slightly more powerful than in the Prius.
CONCLUSION (I will end this silly convo.): No one knows anything since Lexus is not revealing any informative facts/numbers.
04-03-10, 01:40 AM
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If what you say turns out to be true, I stand corrected. But as what you said regarding my assumptions, what you say about "more aluminum" and "different electric motor" are also unstated "rumors." Okay, the car might be slightly smaller overall; but, cannot say exactly how much since height doesn't account for clearance of each car. If you just multiply length x width, the prius covers 2% more area.
CONCLUSION (I will end this silly convo.): No one knows anything since Lexus is not revealing any informative facts/numbers.
CONCLUSION (I will end this silly convo.): No one knows anything since Lexus is not revealing any informative facts/numbers.
04-04-10, 04:13 PM
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Well, there is a lot of hair-spliting in this thread. Even if the CT is a little lighter than the Prius and slightly more aerodynamic, it still has essentially the same powertrain. My wife has a new 2010 Prius which is a very nice car, but not even remotely "fast". Of course, it is not intended to be driven that way, with the goal to keep the indicator in "Eco" mode as much as possible. The Prius is not a bad handling car, but is no BMW. Let's hope the CT improves on the Prius in both handling and acceleration, if only slightly. Then the question will be how many people, mainly seeking economy, will want to ante up the extra bucks for this car over a Prius?
04-06-10, 09:45 AM
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So, the only way this car is faster than the Prius is to weigh considerably less than the Prius. Does the (barely) smaller body counter all of the suspension and interior upgrades/additions for weight saving? I'm not so sure, but we won't know for sure until Lexus comes out with the figure for total weight. I'm also not sure why Lexus will not announce the weight or MPG figures anywhere when all of the other information regarding the car has been announced.
04-06-10, 10:57 AM
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well we know that it has a sport mode and when that is activated the power output from the electric motors is increased. The PCU (Power Control Unit) that controls the hybrid system boosts supplied voltage by 150volts to a maximum of 650 volts
