2018 Toyota Sienna Gets a Makeover
03-23-17, 01:41 AM
#16
Lexus Test Driver
All indications were pointing to an all-new model. This is disappointing. But lately Toyota/Lexus has made a habit of keeping models longer than others. The 2IS went through a very similar life, with two facelifts. Yet another form of cost-cutting.
seems to work for em.
03-23-17, 06:26 AM
#20
Lexus Fanatic
Minivans are a little bit different thing. They're all about the latest setups in seating and kid entertainment and family convenience. At this point the Sienna is quite the dinosaur.
03-23-17, 07:10 AM
#21
Lexus Champion
Introducing a new Sienna at this point would mean delaying the TNGA-platform Sienna for 5 or 6 years instead of 2. People would be complaining either way, but with this stop-gap, they are complaining for only 2 years instead of 5 or 6 (and possibly not buying the new model because they want to wait for the new model on the new platform).
03-23-17, 11:49 AM
#22
It may not be due to cost cutting. It may be a stop-gap until the completely new model, on the new TNGA platform, comes out. Transitioning a complete lineup of vehicles to a completely new platform, with radically different manufacturing methods, takes great effort, which requires time and money, and staggering introductions to do well.
Introducing a new Sienna at this point would mean delaying the TNGA-platform Sienna for 5 or 6 years instead of 2. People would be complaining either way, but with this stop-gap, they are complaining for only 2 years instead of 5 or 6 (and possibly not buying the new model because they want to wait for the new model on the new platform).
Introducing a new Sienna at this point would mean delaying the TNGA-platform Sienna for 5 or 6 years instead of 2. People would be complaining either way, but with this stop-gap, they are complaining for only 2 years instead of 5 or 6 (and possibly not buying the new model because they want to wait for the new model on the new platform).
03-23-17, 12:08 PM
#23
I think the only advantage the Honda has over the Toyota from a consumer perspective is that built in vacuum cleaner (that sucks? lol)
03-23-17, 12:43 PM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
You do know the Odyssey is all new for next year right? The current Odyssey was out the same year as the Sienna and its all new for 2018. Lots of changes, some very slick adaptive seating, new platform, some very cool nigh vision camera tech for watching sleeping kids...
03-23-17, 02:41 PM
#25
didn't realize honda's ugly zigzag beltline has been out that long
03-23-17, 08:34 PM
#28
My favorite thing about the Honda Odyssey is the ads lol. Seriously some of the best car ads in the past several years have been for a damn minivan lol.
Judas Priest shilling the Odyssey:
The van gods approve!!
Judas Priest shilling the Odyssey:
The van gods approve!!
03-24-17, 11:16 PM
#30
Very disappointing and embarrassing. I clearly was led on last September by someone that interned for Toyota and worked on both the 2018 Sienna and 2018 Tundra during 2016, acting as it was something novel to discuss. He must've been blind if he thought they were redesigned or brainwashed by the same marketing drill sergeants that touted the 2015 Camry as "all-new". I know who not to trust, as the Tundra rehash was one thing due to TNGA-F, but this one doesn't make sense at all.
I greatly respect your commentary Sulu, but I must state that is not a good reason or excuse at all.
Why would they need to be delaying it at this point?
This isn't 2015 anymore, when only TNGA-C was ready to be used by the Prius.
TNGA-K is very much likely what the next Sienna will use, as I highly doubt TNGA-C would make sense nor is it exactly going body-on-frame for TNGA-F like the next Tundra and Tacoma.
If TNGA-K is here now, it should've and could've been adapted in time for an early 2018 launch, instead of this laughable refresh.
I greatly understand why they pushed back a new Tundra, as TNGA-F isn't ready, but this one is just silly when the available architecture is already there.
I do not see Toyota creating a special TNGA application for only the Sienna, unless it is a global MPV-specific one, that is vastly different from TNGA-K.
The 2016 RX understandably stuck with the "K" platform upon late 2015 launch, because TNGA-K was not yet ready and waiting for it, would've pushed back the 4RX to MY 2018 or 2019.
The first product utilizing TNGA-K goes into production in June.
Now that TNGA-K is ready, I do not see why a minivan that was launched in February 2010 (7 years ago) on the original K platform (used since 2000; 2003 for Sienna), cannot be redesigned in time.
It is just another case of Toyota somehow feeling "overwhelmed" and wanting to squeeze more money out of it, in being shrewd.
They have way too many resources and capital, to be extending life-cycles so much. I would hope they do not turn into Nissan and FCA in this respect, as only high-end products can get away with being obsolete.
The minute they introduced the last refresh in 2014, a next generation should've been halfway though development and being readied for late 2017-early 2018 launch. Not late 2019 or CY 2020 as it stands. As they can easy just push it back even further to MY 2021, like they have done with both the LC and LS (upon each respective press reveal, each car got shifted back mysteriously).
It may not be due to cost cutting. It may be a stop-gap until the completely new model, on the new TNGA platform, comes out. Transitioning a complete lineup of vehicles to a completely new platform, with radically different manufacturing methods, takes great effort, which requires time and money, and staggering introductions to do well.
Introducing a new Sienna at this point would mean delaying the TNGA-platform Sienna for 5 or 6 years instead of 2. People would be complaining either way, but with this stop-gap, they are complaining for only 2 years instead of 5 or 6 (and possibly not buying the new model because they want to wait for the new model on the new platform).
Introducing a new Sienna at this point would mean delaying the TNGA-platform Sienna for 5 or 6 years instead of 2. People would be complaining either way, but with this stop-gap, they are complaining for only 2 years instead of 5 or 6 (and possibly not buying the new model because they want to wait for the new model on the new platform).
Why would they need to be delaying it at this point?
This isn't 2015 anymore, when only TNGA-C was ready to be used by the Prius.
TNGA-K is very much likely what the next Sienna will use, as I highly doubt TNGA-C would make sense nor is it exactly going body-on-frame for TNGA-F like the next Tundra and Tacoma.
If TNGA-K is here now, it should've and could've been adapted in time for an early 2018 launch, instead of this laughable refresh.
I greatly understand why they pushed back a new Tundra, as TNGA-F isn't ready, but this one is just silly when the available architecture is already there.
I do not see Toyota creating a special TNGA application for only the Sienna, unless it is a global MPV-specific one, that is vastly different from TNGA-K.
The 2016 RX understandably stuck with the "K" platform upon late 2015 launch, because TNGA-K was not yet ready and waiting for it, would've pushed back the 4RX to MY 2018 or 2019.
The first product utilizing TNGA-K goes into production in June.
Now that TNGA-K is ready, I do not see why a minivan that was launched in February 2010 (7 years ago) on the original K platform (used since 2000; 2003 for Sienna), cannot be redesigned in time.
It is just another case of Toyota somehow feeling "overwhelmed" and wanting to squeeze more money out of it, in being shrewd.
They have way too many resources and capital, to be extending life-cycles so much. I would hope they do not turn into Nissan and FCA in this respect, as only high-end products can get away with being obsolete.
The minute they introduced the last refresh in 2014, a next generation should've been halfway though development and being readied for late 2017-early 2018 launch. Not late 2019 or CY 2020 as it stands. As they can easy just push it back even further to MY 2021, like they have done with both the LC and LS (upon each respective press reveal, each car got shifted back mysteriously).