OK, Folks....Now it may (?) be my turn to go shopping.
#31
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Actually, a lot of parking lots where you have a number of older people certainly do have their share of ES350s and LaCrosses. That's not humor, but a fact. In fact, a number of those owners I've talked to say they cross-shopped between those two before settling on one or another.
In my particular case, though, my interest in easy-riding vehicles like this does not necessarily reflect my age. In addition to the normal teen-age attraction to the American muscle-cars of that era (especially the Plymouth Road Runner), I also liked big soft-riding luxury cars when I was in high school and college (as did several of my closest friends)....though those same cars today would be far too large for the conditions I live and typically drive in.
In my particular case, though, my interest in easy-riding vehicles like this does not necessarily reflect my age. In addition to the normal teen-age attraction to the American muscle-cars of that era (especially the Plymouth Road Runner), I also liked big soft-riding luxury cars when I was in high school and college (as did several of my closest friends)....though those same cars today would be far too large for the conditions I live and typically drive in.
#34
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Generally speaking, i like to keep my cars that i own for already ten years minimum. I also like to pay them off as soon as I can at time of purchase or with a small finance. With the age and miles, i would probably keep this car for another 5 years. I am impartial to small cars that are light.
With that all said, I would get something that is minimum a new chassis design that is not too old. And i would get as much new and interesting technology as possible.
With that all said, I would get something that is minimum a new chassis design that is not too old. And i would get as much new and interesting technology as possible.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-20-17 at 05:46 PM.
#35
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Generally speaking, i like to keep my cars that i own for already ten years minimum. I also like to pay them off as soon as I can at time of purchase or with a small finance. With the age and miles, i would probably keep this car for another 5 years. With that said, perhaps the car is not as satisifying as we are being led to believe.
So.....I'm not in the market quite yet.......simply getting some opinions in advance, not running out to buy something tomorrow morning. This forum, in some ways, with 62,000 posts, is like a family to me, and I value the opinions of others, especially those of car-savvy people. You yourself have been helpful on some occasions, though we have also had some disagreements.
With that all said, I would get something that is minimum a new chassis design that is not too old. And i would get as much new and interesting technology as possible.
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-20-17 at 05:46 PM.
#36
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People looking for car advice are not looking for unsolicited financial advice. We are all adults, obviously car fans. Best to keep the unrequested patronizing financial diatribes to oneself.
If mmarashall had asked what was the prudent financial move that would be one thing but he didn't, he asked his car buddies what cars he should look at.
If mmarashall had asked what was the prudent financial move that would be one thing but he didn't, he asked his car buddies what cars he should look at.
#37
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People looking for car advice are not looking for unsolicited financial advice. We are all adults, obviously car fans. Best to keep the unrequested patronizing financial diatribes to oneself.
If mmarashall had asked what was the prudent financial move that would be one thing but he didn't, he asked his car buddies what cars he should look at.
If mmarashall had asked what was the prudent financial move that would be one thing but he didn't, he asked his car buddies what cars he should look at.
BTW, you have made a decent case for the G80...as did my own review of the (same car) Hyundai Genesis a few years ago. The people at GM, though (especially my regular service-advisor) have treated me so well as a Buick owner (doing a lot of things for me free or at reduced rates) that it is difficult to walk out on them (he's on some of my mailing-lists, BTW, for my car-reviews). That's why the LaCrosse, despite its ****-ed up shifter, is currently tops on the list....with the Impala (and its conventional shifter) as also an option.
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-20-17 at 06:10 PM.
#38
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That's OK, Steve. Jill (and a few others on the forum) have brought up those financial issues about ownership-length before, so I'm aware of them. I know people are going to express their opinions, so I don't have any problem if they want to repeat it...after all, I asked for opinions. But, yes, for me, you are correct that the main question is not financing, but which one of those three cars (or something else) is a good car to step up to, knowing that I tend to be somewhat less-sport-oriented than others here.
BTW, you have made a decent case for the G80...as did my own review of the (same car) Hyundai Genesis a few years ago. The people at GM, though (especially my regular service-advisor) have treated me so well as a Buick owner (doing a lot of things for me free or at reduced rates) that it is difficult to walk out on them (he's on some of my mailing-lists, BTW, for my car-reviews). That's why the LaCrosse, despite its ****-ed up shifter, is currently tops on the list....with the Impala (and its conventional shifter) as also an option.
So far as Lexus, every experience I've ever had at Pohanka in Chantilly has been negative. I have however been happy with Lindsay in Alexandria for sales and service, although they are expensive. Their service prices are as much as 40-60% more than Lexus of Rockville in my experience (was quoted $499 for the 30k on the LS at Rockville and $799!! at Lindsay). With Genesis you wouldn't have to take it in to be serviced at all, they would come get it with the service concierge.
#39
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With the G80? I thought that was only a perk with the G90....one reason why the G90 costs more, and not every Hyundai/Genesis shop handles it. Besides, being retired and with (usually) some time on my hands, I don't mind driving to the shop (I often do a test-drive or static-review while I'm there LOL)
#40
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Nope, you get that on any Genesis, so the G80 and the G90. Sucks if you bought a Genesis before it became a brand huh?
The G90 costs more because its just a bigger, more advanced better appointed car. The ownership perks are the same. Thats one reason why its still strange that not every dealer sells the G90 where they do sell the G80. I assume only "full Genesis" dealers that sell the G90 provide the concierge service...so if I bought a G80 and wanted the concierge service they would come get it from that dealer in Chantilly even though there are closer Hyundai dealers that sell the G80.
Hyundai really does need to get the Genesis dealer situation sorted out.
The G90 costs more because its just a bigger, more advanced better appointed car. The ownership perks are the same. Thats one reason why its still strange that not every dealer sells the G90 where they do sell the G80. I assume only "full Genesis" dealers that sell the G90 provide the concierge service...so if I bought a G80 and wanted the concierge service they would come get it from that dealer in Chantilly even though there are closer Hyundai dealers that sell the G80.
Hyundai really does need to get the Genesis dealer situation sorted out.
#41
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No caveat about G90 vs G80:
I feel quite confident I will wind up in a G90 when my LS is done. For me and the sort of car I like, the value proposition is just too huge. I'll save $4-500 a month in lease payments over a comparable LS, 7, S Class, and have free maintenance, free satellite radio, free nav updates, the service concierge. Its almost too big a value gap to cross just for "brand"...
I feel quite confident I will wind up in a G90 when my LS is done. For me and the sort of car I like, the value proposition is just too huge. I'll save $4-500 a month in lease payments over a comparable LS, 7, S Class, and have free maintenance, free satellite radio, free nav updates, the service concierge. Its almost too big a value gap to cross just for "brand"...
#42
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Nope, you get that on any Genesis, so the G80 and the G90. Sucks if you bought a Genesis before it became a brand huh?
The G90 costs more because its just a bigger, more advanced better appointed car. The ownership perks are the same. Thats one reason why its still strange that not every dealer sells the G90 where they do sell the G80. I assume only "full Genesis" dealers that sell the G90 provide the concierge service...so if I bought a G80 and wanted the concierge service they would come get it from that dealer in Chantilly even though there are closer Hyundai dealers that sell the G80.
Hyundai really does need to get the Genesis dealer situation sorted out.
The G90 costs more because its just a bigger, more advanced better appointed car. The ownership perks are the same. Thats one reason why its still strange that not every dealer sells the G90 where they do sell the G80. I assume only "full Genesis" dealers that sell the G90 provide the concierge service...so if I bought a G80 and wanted the concierge service they would come get it from that dealer in Chantilly even though there are closer Hyundai dealers that sell the G80.
Hyundai really does need to get the Genesis dealer situation sorted out.
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-20-17 at 07:46 PM.
#43
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I'm with you on the g90 (and g80 too) insanely great value and love the idea of the concierge service and no more dealer visits.