Is Lexus Becoming The Next Acura?
02-21-17, 07:02 AM
#136
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by mmarshall
The 4ES used the 3.0L from 2001-2003, when the new 3.3L was introduced for the 2004 model year.
The wood and leather, though, throughout the cabin of the 4ES, was just superb, as good or better, IMO, than what Jaguar was offering at twice the price....and that was in the days before Jag started converting to the high-tech look.
The ES would be a great choice for you.
02-21-17, 07:04 AM
#137
Lexus Fanatic
02-21-17, 07:05 AM
#138
Lexus Fanatic
Because they have Buick GM doesn't need Cadillac to serve that segment.
02-21-17, 07:11 AM
#139
Lexus Fanatic
02-21-17, 07:12 AM
#140
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by SW15LS
Because they have Buick GM doesn't need Cadillac to serve that segment.
02-21-17, 07:13 AM
#141
Lexus Fanatic
I haven't driven the latest Lacrosse, but I have sat in it, and have driven the MKZ. I wouldn't personally consider the Lacrosse, but I would consider the MKZ. It's not as soft riding as the ES, or as refined though.
I would also seriously consider a Genesis G80. Any reason you're not considering that? I know you really liked it.
I would also seriously consider a Genesis G80. Any reason you're not considering that? I know you really liked it.
02-21-17, 07:56 AM
#142
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tjarado - welcome to ClubLexus!
good to read your story, enthusiasm, and the RC is indeed an awesome smooth and good looking car! what did you mean by 'open a BMW' - you mean you tried to modify one?
I bought my Lexus after driving several models over the years, owned by others, but driven much by me, and guess what?
I love the naturally aspirated, non-interference 350 engine.
I adore the smooth good looks of my 2016 UW RC F-sport.
I love it's quiet luxury, fit and finish, reliability, and, yes its performance.
Plus it handles quite nicely on SoFla dry roads. (Wet stuff TBD.)
I am no 'racer' but I drove and rally-raced mucho sports cars many years ago, and still I crack 100 on occasion.
And tru, twice I actually tried to open a BMW thinking it was my 1998 Toyo Camry 6cyl zip-about!
Soooo, boys... I LOVE the spindle grille, cause you KNOW it's a Lexus.
I love the naturally aspirated, non-interference 350 engine.
I adore the smooth good looks of my 2016 UW RC F-sport.
I love it's quiet luxury, fit and finish, reliability, and, yes its performance.
Plus it handles quite nicely on SoFla dry roads. (Wet stuff TBD.)
I am no 'racer' but I drove and rally-raced mucho sports cars many years ago, and still I crack 100 on occasion.
And tru, twice I actually tried to open a BMW thinking it was my 1998 Toyo Camry 6cyl zip-about!
Soooo, boys... I LOVE the spindle grille, cause you KNOW it's a Lexus.
02-21-17, 09:02 AM
#143
Lexus Test Driver
I'm well aware of all of that, but there was a change made to the 3.0 V6 before 2002. I've watched this with interest, I don't think I've ever seen a 2002-2003 with sludge. They're 14-15 years old now, so if it were an issue you'd see it. The 02-03 was also never included in the extended warranty Lexus put it for the 3ES, which also tells you something was changed.
I agree. That's only part of the experience of having and driving a car though. Overall, despite the interior not being as nice I still preferred my 2010 ES.
The ES would be a great choice for you.
I agree. That's only part of the experience of having and driving a car though. Overall, despite the interior not being as nice I still preferred my 2010 ES.
The ES would be a great choice for you.
02-21-17, 09:34 AM
#144
Lexus Fanatic
The LaCrosse is fine except the E-shifter....those are just not my cup of tea.
I would also seriously consider a Genesis G80. Any reason you're not considering that? I know you really liked it.
02-21-17, 11:25 AM
#145
Lexus Fanatic
The refresh MKZ is still not as smooth and refined as the ES. Alex on Autos posted a review this week, you should watch that he discusses that.
As for the G80, I don't think it's much bigger, if it's any bigger than the ES...
As for the G80, I don't think it's much bigger, if it's any bigger than the ES...
02-21-17, 11:43 AM
#146
Lexus Fanatic
The MKZ is pleasant to drive, but I'm not terribly impressed, though, with the way it is built. It seems to lack some of the construction solidness of the LaCrosse, and just has a looser feel to the doors, sheet metal, and interior hardware. The ES is somewhere in the middle on material solidness, but, long-term, is probably the most reliable of the three.
02-21-17, 11:51 AM
#147
Lexus Fanatic
The one he posted of the MKZ is brand new like 4 days ago.
02-21-17, 02:12 PM
#148
Lexus Test Driver
Given the sales numbers of ATS's and CTS's, I don't think Cadillac has "Cadillac" brand appeal. Caddy moved away from the Buick target customer years ago, so I don't see them going after an ES customer. But it would seem that's what has hurt them, because they can't really pick up the sales they want from their target customer.
02-21-17, 03:00 PM
#149
Holy thread derail Batman.
These past couple of pages quickly show there's not much of acura to talk about that we have to discuss buick/caddy/lincoln
Acura (and honda) has never had a V8 in any of their current vehicles, while lexus still do.
Until lexus (and toyota) get rid of all their v8 and gone fwd, then you can say it's contracting acura-itis.
These past couple of pages quickly show there's not much of acura to talk about that we have to discuss buick/caddy/lincoln
Acura (and honda) has never had a V8 in any of their current vehicles, while lexus still do.
Until lexus (and toyota) get rid of all their v8 and gone fwd, then you can say it's contracting acura-itis.
02-21-17, 03:50 PM
#150
Lexus Fanatic
Until lexus (and toyota) get rid of all their v8 and gone fwd, then you can say it's contracting acura-itis.