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Old 02-03-17, 05:00 PM
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Default Lexus is moving away from sedans and toward SUVs

You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this coming, because this is happening across the board. Even Lamborghini is going to start selling an SUV. But I think it could work out well for enthusiasts, because we'll get more cars like the LC and RC, as Lexus seeks to create a kind of matched set of vehicles in a customer's garage. At least that's what I hope will happen. What do you think? More details on the move toward SUVs on the homepage.
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Old 02-03-17, 05:41 PM
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I can't wait to see a 7 seater one. Can't get into a GX460. SWMBO says BIG No, to barn door style tail gate.
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Old 02-03-17, 08:14 PM
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Humans are taller than ever.
Global obesity is also at its greatest.
Women are educated & earning more than ever.
Family sizes are diminishing at less than two children/child bearing woman.
Meanwhile there is actually a small return to the traditional extended family as the Gen Y children stay at home longer, rather than go out to buy their own homes earlier.
The global population is booming.

Thus land size is diminishing.
While the internal square feet in floor space is larger than ever.

This is achieved by "vertical" growth in buildings and homes, and ultimately, vertical growth in motor vehicles.
Gone are the days of the low, long, and wide behemoths.
In, are shorter, and narrower, yet much taller SUV's.
Though the Queen of England still lives on her traditional huge "acreage" property, with her traditional fleet of low, long and wide Rolls Royce's.

If a high 9 feet ceiling, a two storey home, or a hi rise building isn't special, then why should a tall SUV ground clearance and tall SUV cabin be any more special?
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Old 02-04-17, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
Humans are taller than ever.
Global obesity is also at its greatest.
Women are educated & earning more than ever.
Family sizes are diminishing at less than two children/child bearing woman.
Meanwhile there is actually a small return to the traditional extended family as the Gen Y children stay at home longer, rather than go out to buy their own homes earlier.
The global population is booming.

Thus land size is diminishing.
While the internal square feet in floor space is larger than ever.

This is achieved by "vertical" growth in buildings and homes, and ultimately, vertical growth in motor vehicles.
Gone are the days of the low, long, and wide behemoths.
In, are shorter, and narrower, yet much taller SUV's.
Though the Queen of England still lives on her traditional huge "acreage" property, with her traditional fleet of low, long and wide Rolls Royce's.

If a high 9 feet ceiling, a two storey home, or a hi rise building isn't special, then why should a tall SUV ground clearance and tall SUV cabin be any more special?
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I dont think that most of these factors (and certainly not the Queen's residence LOL) has very much to do with the explosion of SUVs. Many people simply like the SUV combination of space efficiency, AWD for winter traction, and high ground clearance to make it easy to go through deep snow, humps, or speed bumps without impacting or damaging the undercarriage.
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Old 02-04-17, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mayday
You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this coming, because this is happening across the board. Even Lamborghini is going to start selling an SUV. But I think it could work out well for enthusiasts, because we'll get more cars like the LC and RC, as Lexus seeks to create a kind of matched set of vehicles in a customer's garage. At least that's what I hope will happen. What do you think? More details on the move toward SUVs on the homepage.
I think the headline should be change to cross-overs instead of SUVS. I don't consider RX or NX models a true SUV. A GX and an LX are true SUVS.
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Old 02-04-17, 09:05 AM
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I don't mind cross overs. They're usually slow and I can zoom around them on highways
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I don't mind cross overs. They're usually slow and I can zoom around them on highways
"Usually" is correct...........but don't mess with a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8. You will almost certainly be in its rear-view mirror.
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Originally Posted by GSteg
1SICKLEX will not be happy
He's long-gone...........and now has his own forum, (and a different call-sign) as Administrator.
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lexus isn't 'moving away' they've just expanded their utility vehicle by a whopping one model (nx), but it's the MARKET that's decided that utility vehicles are more what they want than sedans and that's now been true for years in the u.s. and across all brands.

there's a reason jaguar just came out with the awesome f-pace utility vehicle.
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These days there isn't really all that much difference between a sedan and SUV in terms of driving experience. Aside from a few remaining offroad oriented SUVs, most crossovers have pretty much the same driving dynamics as the respective sedans that their chassis were based on. Its hard to even make a case for a sedan at all anymore, especially when it comes to premium brands where money isn't a big issue.

That being said, Lexus is the only premium brand that has 3 sedans with proper RWD chassis, but all of their SUVs are either pedestrian FWD platforms or antiquated BOF chassis - but their target buyers don't seem to care or even know the difference.
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Originally Posted by Och
These days there isn't really all that much difference between a sedan and SUV in terms of driving experience. Aside from a few remaining offroad oriented SUVs, most crossovers have pretty much the same driving dynamics as the respective sedans that their chassis were based on. Its hard to even make a case for a sedan at all anymore, especially when it comes to premium brands where money isn't a big issue.
Nowadays, a sedan is almost like a modern day four door coupe.

Originally Posted by Och
That being said, Lexus is the only premium brand that has 3 sedans with proper RWD chassis, but all of their SUVs are either pedestrian FWD platforms or antiquated BOF [ladder-type] chassis - but their target buyers don't seem to care or even know the difference.
So true that they don't know, or do know, but don't care...
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I dont think that most of these factors (and certainly not the Queen's residence LOL) has very much to do with the explosion of SUVs. Many people simply like the SUV combination of space efficiency, AWD for winter traction, and high ground clearance to make it easy to go through deep snow, humps, or speed bumps without impacting or damaging the undercarriage.
To the point.
The average height has increased a little from 5'9" to 5'10", while weight has increased considerably.
Overpopulation reduces land size blocks.
Family sizes are smaller, yet Gen Y children are staying home with their parents longer, thus the increase in internal square feet area as the internal sizes of homes are bigger than ever.

Smaller land size combined with larger homes means "vertical" living via two storey buildings, and even high rise buildings in the inner city.

Ditto motor vehicles.
Here, the slightly taller, but considerably heavier [obese] human body frame preferences a larger motor vehicle.
However limitations in road space no longer prefers the big long wide sedans of the 1970's, but rather the shorter, narrower, yet much taller SUV's of today.








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I think the headline should be change to cross-overs instead of SUVS. I don't consider RX or NX models a true SUV. A GX and an LX are true SUVS.
Crossovers are sedan-based, while SUV's are truck ladder-type chassis based, but commoners keep using the term SUV in place of the correct term crossovers - so we just accept that...
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
Nowadays, a sedan is almost like a modern day four door coupe.
There is no such thing as a 4 door coupe.
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
To the point.
The average height has increased a little from 5'9" to 5'10", while weight has increased considerably.
Overpopulation reduces land size blocks.
Family sizes are smaller, yet Gen Y children are staying home with their parents longer, thus the increase in internal square feet area as the internal sizes of homes are bigger than ever.

Smaller land size combined with larger homes means "vertical" living via two storey buildings, and even high rise buildings in the inner city.

Ditto motor vehicles.
Here, the slightly taller, but considerably heavier [obese] human body frame preferences a larger motor vehicle.
However limitations in road space no longer prefers the big long wide sedans of the 1970's, but rather the shorter, narrow, yet much taller SUV's of today.

Crossovers are sedan-based, while SUV's are truck ladder-type chassis based, but commoners keep using the term SUV in place of the correct term crossovers - so we just accept that...
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It's not the increased human size - just pay attention during school run hours and you will see hordes of short soccer moms driving SUVs and minivans. SUVs simply add a ton more convenience compared to the sedans with almost no drawbacks of the past.
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