PhilipMSPT

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Alleged brochure for new Toyota Supra surfaces

plex

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^^^Interesting was hoping for more power from the 6cyl turbo to at least match Nissan's new 3.0 TT V6 but if weight is low and price is decent may be a bargain.

KahnBB6

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^^ Unfortunately that "Supra MKV" brochure is a fake. Sorry all:

http://jalopnik.com/this-2018-toyota...ake-1792295418

However that info on the A8R-FTS liquid to air intercooler design is interesting. Toyota last did that on a the ST185 and ST205 Celica GT-Four 2.0L turbo rally cars, IIRC.

The integrated 4-2-1 exhaust manifold might be promising but will require a very specific turbo mounting adapter or special turbo exhaust housings with an aftermarket single. At first I wasn't thrilled about any manufacturer integrating the exhaust manifolds inside of cylinder heads but once I read about GM's 464hp LF4 V6-TT used in the ATS-V Coupe I was no longer concerned as it doesn't seem to be a hold back for power.

The question is, though, will Toyota actually use the A8R-FTS in a much higher state of tune in the Supra? Will that engine possibly get a hybrid system like KERS integrated? Or will Toyota instead use a variant of their new 943F twin turbo 3.0L V6 engine that will be used in the 2019 LS sedan and some of the Lexus models with automatics? That V6 is rumored to put out over 400hp and 300 ft-lbs in at least one standard state of tune. That last one has been rumored since July of last year.

^^ I like the S-FR concept myself. Aside from the 86/BRZ I like it even more as a similar basic fun daily commuter coupe. It will be interesting to see how the smaller model and 86 compare as fun driver-centric daily cars.

situman

Pretty weak powertrain lineup even thought the brochure is fake. The 4cylinder option should not exist, especially in this level of car. Save it for the next GT86. The Supra should be pushing closer to 400hp to give it some street cred. Otherwise it will be panned as underpowered and a poor value relative to other "performance cars" like Mustangs and Cameros of the world.

jadu

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Fooled me. With that said, I'd be interested to see if the new LS TT V6 makes it into the Supra or will it be the return of the ToMoCo inline 6

gengar

Yep, that's what I posted. In short (as I do not intend to take this thread further OT), I think Ferrari's marketing as well as statements from executives (which has occasionally contradicted the marketing) has vividly demonstrated this over the years.

joshthorsc

The return of the MR2 would be great! A turbo version would be better. It's time Toyota start adding more sport cars to their line ups and bring back some of their old customers.

UDel

Glad those brochures and power levels are fake, I hope. It would be a hugely disappointing car if they were true and would be dead in the water, it would not even really be able to compete with modern muscle cars despite being more expensive and would certainly not be a Corvette/911 competitor like the last one was. There should be no 4 cylinder in the new Supra, that is just sad if there is. It would also be really sad that after 20 years it will only have 20hp more then the last one when it comes to the 6 cylinder. I remember rumors and sketches of a Supra replacement in the late 90's suggesting it would get a 4 liter V8, they called it the GT400 or GT500.

I think the base Supra should get a 350-370hp turbo 6 cylinder standard and the top line Supra should have around 475-500hp, it should have more hp then a base Corvette. A special model to go right after the GTR could have 550hp. Leave the weak 4 cylinder and sub 300hp to the 86 GTS.

plex

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Totally agree with this, the TTV6 from new LS should be an option but who knows what it will end up being.

situman

Doubt the TTV6 from the LS will make it in there. Lexus doesnt allow their higher end engines to be used in Toyota cars. It shall be handed down in 10yrs like the DI 3.5 V6

Toys4RJill

Base Tundra and a few other SUV models use the LS460 engine.

situman

The Supra will not top 400hp or be anywhere near it since that's LS flagship level power let alone the 467hp V8. Have we not learned that Lexus does not like to let its lower level cars outpower their upper level cars? They could have easily squeezed closed to 600hp just by turbocharging the 5L V8 but they chose not to, to protect the LFA. I mean these are the same people that created the LFA V10 and turbocharging a V8 can't be a bigger challenge than creating that monster of a V10.

situman

Yes the Tundra use a bigger version and the GX use the 4.6L as well, but its missing a lot of the tech from it. The 5.6 should be producing gobs more power and certainly better efficiency if it has the tech from the LS 4.6

plex

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Wishful thinking on my part ha ha. At this stage a N55 in it wouldn't bother me.

situman

I would prefer a Toyota engine. A 3L TTV6 at 400hp will be suffice, even though it will be close to what the LS offers power wise, at least they can claim the 3.5TT has waaay more torque or just up the tune in 3yrs.