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Old 07-15-16, 03:08 PM
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The Japanese automakers treat their suppliers differently than the American automakers. The Japanese learned from the American Dr. W. Edwards Deming, now revered as a quality guru, that you should work cooperatively with suppliers rather than dictating to them; the Americans refused to learn from their own. In study after study, suppliers consistently say that they prefer to work with the Japanese automakers rather than the American ones because the Japanese treat them with more respect.

If an automaker wants something from a supplier, like lower-cost parts, Dr. Deming said that the buyer should work together with the supplier to figure out how to do that, to the benefit of both supplier and buyer. An automaker should not dictate "Lower your costs or else!" because the supplier may then be forced to sell at money-losing prices, the supplier eventually goes bankrupt and the automaker must stop assembly lines while they are forced to wait for the supplier. In the end, it is bad for the supplier and bad for the automaker.
GM management and working? Thanks for the joke. All they like is to act like bosses and delegate their work, who in turn delegates it to another, and then another. The only person really working is the staff engineer.
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Originally Posted by wasjr
You hit the nail on the head. I have assisted a college buddy with his relatively small company in a niche industry. While he has dealt successfully with national retailers, several years ago one of the big box stores came to him for a line of his product. Initially he was enamored at the attention, but after a short time of dealing with their stocking requirements, price points, and slow pay, he cut his losses and terminated the relationship.
My uncle was approached by one of the big apparel houses to supply ALL of his produce to them solely. Very lucrative. No need to find another customer. My uncle refused because he does not like bieng held hostage.
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That is the stupidity of LEAN manufacturing. Rule one in lean is don't stock any excess parts only make what you use now. The other stupid part of any manufacturing is having anything done by a vender, it adds cost to the product because you the manufacture have to pay the venders inflated price on the items. Now why is that? Because the vender is a whole nother company with all the taxes, overhead, building and logistics to have to pay for.
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Originally Posted by dicer
That is the stupidity of LEAN manufacturing. Rule one in lean is don't stock any excess parts only make what you use now. The other stupid part of any manufacturing is having anything done by a vender, it adds cost to the product because you the manufacture have to pay the venders inflated price on the items. Now why is that? Because the vender is a whole nother company with all the taxes, overhead, building and logistics to have to pay for.
And that is exactly what GM and Ford did with their captive suppliers 20 years ago -- they cut them loose and told them to survive on their own. Clark-Cutler-McDermott Co. is not the first to go bankrupt. Delphi, once a captive supplier to GM is a better-known example.
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Originally Posted by Sulu
The Japanese automakers treat their suppliers differently than the American automakers. The Japanese learned from the American Dr. W. Edwards Deming, now revered as a quality guru, that you should work cooperatively with suppliers rather than dictating to them; the Americans refused to learn from their own. In study after study, suppliers consistently say that they prefer to work with the Japanese automakers rather than the American ones because the Japanese treat them with more respect.
<cough> takata </cough>

If an automaker wants something from a supplier, like lower-cost parts, Dr. Deming said that the buyer should work together with the supplier to figure out how to do that, to the benefit of both supplier and buyer. An automaker should not dictate "Lower your costs or else!" because the supplier may then be forced to sell at money-losing prices, the supplier eventually goes bankrupt and the automaker must stop assembly lines while they are forced to wait for the supplier. In the end, it is bad for the supplier and bad for the automaker.
agreed.
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Originally Posted by dicer
That is the stupidity of LEAN manufacturing. Rule one in lean is don't stock any excess parts only make what you use now. The other stupid part of any manufacturing is having anything done by a vender, it adds cost to the product because you the manufacture have to pay the venders inflated price on the items. Now why is that? Because the vender is a whole nother company with all the taxes, overhead, building and logistics to have to pay for.
How is it stupid to stock just what you need? That is actually the most effective and cost efficient way to build.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
<cough> takata </cough>
Takata is a supplier. If a buyer cannot work with a supplier, then they should find another supplier.
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Old 07-16-16, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
How is it stupid to stock just what you need? That is actually the most effective and cost efficient way to build.
Agreed. But companies seem to have a "cut costs at all costs" mentality right now.

Just-in-time manufacturing works best when you have suppliers close by (ideally within the same manufacturing campus). That way, there is NO NEED to stock any parts at all; they come in only as you need them. The manufacturer saves money by not having a huge warehouse of stock.

But manufacturers want to save even more money so they continue to source supplies from the lowest-cost manufacturers all around the world.

If you have your suppliers spread out all over the world, what you are doing is transferring your warehouse from one big building to hundreds of trucks, ships and planes between the suppliers' factories and your final assembly line. Transportation is constantly going between the suppliers and the final assembly line.
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