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Old 06-03-16, 06:47 AM
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/featur...air-bag-crisis

Business and profits over human life.

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When airbags first came out, like every skeptic I had the same concern - how does a Bomb that blast so fast going to keep me safe. Well, NHSTA videos helped me get over that....but now....
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If anything happens to the air bags, Takata will go bankrupt,” Takada said, according to the book. “We can’t cross a bridge as dangerous as this.” Eventually, he relented.
O God....his worst fears coming true
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wow... a new step in capitalism for US

Europe who considered ammonium nitrate too risky. Renault refused to buy air bags with it. ... hired a propellant specialist to help develop a more stable formula using guanidine nitrate, and since about 2008, Takata in Europe has sold air bags using that. He says Takata’s China team also adopted the formula.
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I believe Honda has the most vehicles with the problem and Honda owned/owns 2% of Takata.
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Originally Posted by chikoo
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Yup, all the engineers said amonnoium nitrate was problematic, would deteriorate over time and lead to overinflation which would throw metal shrapnel at the driver. They knew all this in the early/mid 90's and management over-ruled them because it was cheap to use ammonium nitrate.

Reminds me exactly of the Pinto exploding gas tank scandal back in the 70's.
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My X5 and my daughter's X1 have an open airbag recall and BMW has no parts. But I don't think its Takata, I think its a Bosch?
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Originally Posted by Aron9000
Reminds me exactly of the Pinto exploding gas tank scandal back in the 70's.
It's worse than the Pinto really. As callous and unethical as it was, at least Ford knew about the Pinto problem and justified it under an economic risk analysis, however short-sighted and ultimately incorrect. OTOH, Takata executives learned of the problem possibly as far back as 2000, then proceeded to destroy evidence, shush employees who knew about it, and force engineers to manipulate future test data to hide the problem. This is a massive coverup that goes far, far, beyond even making a questionably unethical economic decision - Takata's actions here are reckless, wanton disregard for the lives of customers.

What's shocking to me is that, as far back as 2005, U.S. engineers had uncovered the test data manipulation by their Japanese counterparts. That's 11 years ago! I'd like to think that whistleblowers would step up when lives are at risk.
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I read Takata had defective products before.

They had the 8+ Million vehicle seatbelt recall in 1995 and now this one.
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Originally Posted by gengar
It's worse than the Pinto really. As callous and unethical as it was, at least Ford knew about the Pinto problem and justified it under an economic risk analysis, however short-sighted and ultimately incorrect. OTOH, Takata executives learned of the problem possibly as far back as 2000, then proceeded to destroy evidence, shush employees who knew about it, and force engineers to manipulate future test data to hide the problem. This is a massive coverup that goes far, far, beyond even making a questionably unethical economic decision - Takata's actions here are reckless, wanton disregard for the lives of customers.

What's shocking to me is that, as far back as 2005, U.S. engineers had uncovered the test data manipulation by their Japanese counterparts. That's 11 years ago! I'd like to think that whistleblowers would step up when lives are at risk.

GM knew about the ignition issue for over 10 years and did nothing.
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