View Poll Results: Who was at fault
Subaru for tailgating
16
24.24%
Honda for brake checking
17
25.76%
Both of them
33
50.00%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll
don't tailgate....
#47
Lexus Test Driver
Blocking the passing lane, when a faster vehicle wants to pass is not safe, period. Tailgatting is not either, but that driver paid the price for that.
Last edited by My0gr81; 06-02-16 at 08:19 PM.
#48
Lexus Fanatic
You are wrong. The Subaru was following to close.
#49
Lexus Test Driver
Watch the video a few more times. It was clearly an attempt to pass on the right with the Honda driver showing a childish level of aggression on more than one occasion.
Both parties share responsibility in this and I sincerely hope you aren't doing what the Honda driver did on the road for everyone else's sake.
Both parties share responsibility in this and I sincerely hope you aren't doing what the Honda driver did on the road for everyone else's sake.
#50
Lexus Test Driver
There are better ways to make a driver behind you aware that you are "too close for comfort", letting off the gas pedal would have conveyed the message just as well without deliberately disturbing traffic flow. You can thank both drivers for yearly premium increases on your insurance.
#51
Lexus Fanatic
Watch the video a few more times. It was clearly an attempt to pass on the right with the Honda driver showing a childish level of aggression on more than one occasion.
Both parties share responsibility in this and I sincerely hope you aren't doing what the Honda driver did on the road for everyone else's sake.
Both parties share responsibility in this and I sincerely hope you aren't doing what the Honda driver did on the road for everyone else's sake.
#52
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
tailgaters suck....very few cases where there is justice
if you listen carefully you can hear the driver say "I don't care" which is repeated by the cool cop ...."you don't care? let me see your license and insurance"
if you listen carefully you can hear the driver say "I don't care" which is repeated by the cool cop ...."you don't care? let me see your license and insurance"
#53
Lexus Test Driver
Subaru driver was wrong for tail gating, everyone here agrees, so what is your point?
#54
Pole Position
iTrader: (1)
Both are wrong, and if you cannot see that, then there is no "Middle" where anyone can meet and see eye to eye to find an actual solution to a problem that honestly does not even exist!
I think that the driver of the Pilot was the worst of the two though. Move over and let an idiot be an idiot if you think he is one. Too many people are trying to fit roles these days that they forget who they really are and their actual worth.
I honestly dont even bother with idiotic people any longer. Just let them be and move along. If it is not helping those I love, or putting money in my pocket, I am fine by myself.
I think that the driver of the Pilot was the worst of the two though. Move over and let an idiot be an idiot if you think he is one. Too many people are trying to fit roles these days that they forget who they really are and their actual worth.
I honestly dont even bother with idiotic people any longer. Just let them be and move along. If it is not helping those I love, or putting money in my pocket, I am fine by myself.
#55
Like I said it took both parties to create the problem. Either one by themselves could have prevented it. The wreck doesn't happen without both parties actively participating in road rage.
Notice I used wreck not accident, because this isn't an accident.
Notice I used wreck not accident, because this isn't an accident.
#56
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
#57
I'm saying that both parties knew that their driving behavior could result in something bad. They just thought it wouldn't happen to them. That is the difference between reckless driving and careless driving, or a accident ( i.e. You looked over your shoulder but didn't see the car and changed lanes resulting in a wreck) that turned into a wreck, and a wreck that was a result of recklessness.
#58
Lexus Test Driver
But seriously, everyone agrees that the Subaru driver was wrong and stupid (or cocky or even both), what it is unnerving to see anyone try to justify the actions of the Pilot driver.
The pilot driver was stupid (or cocky or both) and dangerous for brake checking
The pilot driver was stupid or had a sense of entitlement to hog and block the passing lane, but also block the Subaru driver from passing on the right.
Worst of all, the pilot driver was outrageously selfish and callous when he drove away, leaving the scene after causing the crash. I hope the cops track him down through the license plates from dashcam and charge him accordingly.
I wonder if some here who are defending the "rights" of the pilot driver to act as a speed enforcer see the irony of the situation. He had to break one part of the law to enforce another and put lives in danger. That is why vigilantism is unwarranted and unwanted in a law and order society. It doesn't fit into the definition of "order".
Last edited by My0gr81; 06-03-16 at 07:37 AM.
#59
Lexus Champion
An accident is an incident that could NOT be prevented -- something that was out of the hands of the driver who is in the incident. This is NOT an accident; it was the fault of the Subaru driver and could have been prevented if that driver had not been following too closely and then making a reckless, very-poorly executed attempt to pass the idiot driver in front of him.
Yes, the Pilot driver was at fault also, for driving too slowly for the conditions (driving too slowly in his lane, which happens to be the fast, passing lane, when it was obvious that he was holding up fast-approaching traffic behind him).
Yes, the Pilot driver was at fault also, for driving too slowly for the conditions (driving too slowly in his lane, which happens to be the fast, passing lane, when it was obvious that he was holding up fast-approaching traffic behind him).
#60
Lexus Test Driver
An accident is an incident that could NOT be prevented -- something that was out of the hands of the driver who is in the incident. This is NOT an accident; it was the fault of the Subaru driver and could have been prevented if that driver had not been following too closely and then making a reckless, very-poorly executed attempt to pass the idiot driver in front of him.
Yes, the Pilot driver was at fault also, for driving too slowly for the conditions (driving too slowly in his lane, which happens to be the fast, passing lane, when it was obvious that he was holding up fast-approaching traffic behind him).
Yes, the Pilot driver was at fault also, for driving too slowly for the conditions (driving too slowly in his lane, which happens to be the fast, passing lane, when it was obvious that he was holding up fast-approaching traffic behind him).