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per BMW website....
340i includes vinyl seats vs real leather in the Infiniti
340i has optional backup camera vs std in Infiniti
340i has 18" wheels vs 19" in Infiniti
Infiniti has std active suspension as well(? its on the BMW site when comparing)
speaking of backup cameras, i was stunned (negatively) to learn the (not cheap) M2 does not include a backup camera as standard equipment. that's pathetic.
speaking of backup cameras, i was stunned (negatively) to learn the (not cheap) M2 does not include a backup camera as standard equipment. that's pathetic.
part of a $1250 package
it'll be mandatory on all 2018 cars sold in US...and probably costs manufacturers about $10.
You have what looks like a base premium non sport. Of course you're going to have pleather, bad handling etc. Also Consumer Reports are idiots. Because the back up lines show up slow they say the car is unreliable. I'd rather not be stranded on the side of the road. That's reliability to me, not something about a slow infotainment system.
Originally Posted by HughB
I had a 2014 Q50 before my ISF. Loved the engine, hated everything else. The frozen infotainment, the pleather seats, the handling, the quality of material. Not to mention that it had less than stellar reviews from Consumer Report about quality and reliability. I did like the front facial though.
You have what looks like a base premium non sport. Of course you're going to have pleather, bad handling etc. Also Consumer Reports are idiots. Because the back up lines show up slow they say the car is unreliable. I'd rather not be stranded on the side of the road. That's reliability to me, not something about a slow infotainment system.
Consumer reports got this one right. The infotainment system wasn't ready for prime time. I have been following the issue on the q50 forums and a good deal of owners have had to replace their system multiple times. That's crazy. I've had some seat time in a few q50s and it's the same thing, it simply was a disaster. I sat in a '16 recently and the software was vastly improved however.
Consumer reports got this one right. The infotainment system wasn't ready for prime time. I have been following the issue on the q50 forums and a good deal of owners have had to replace their system multiple times. That's crazy. I've had some seat time in a few q50s and it's the same thing, it simply was a disaster. I sat in a '16 recently and the software was vastly improved however.
You're right it wasn't ready but my point was how does the in touch system taking 90 seconds to load in some cars make a car unreliable? Why would that be on par with a car that has catastrophic engine failure or needs a new Tranny at 4000K miles? I believe that is a BS reason to give a car an unreliable mark.
You're right it wasn't ready but my point was how does the in touch system taking 90 seconds to load in some cars make a car unreliable? Why would that be on par with a car that has catastrophic engine failure or needs a new Tranny at 4000K miles? I believe that is a BS reason to give a car an unreliable mark.
I agree with that. But I assume the steering fiasco also contributed to that unreliable rating, right? I haven't read the CR results myself but I would assume so.
I agree with that. But I assume the steering fiasco also contributed to that unreliable rating, right? I haven't read the CR results myself but I would assume so.
That's the thing, there was never a steering Fiasco. DAS had a few issues in sub zero temperatures however overall there is no DAS problem, those magazine writers are biased morons. Meanwhile BMW & Tesla get endless praise for having basically the same DAS like steering. It's the usual BS.
I had a very early car and confirm the infotainment was not right and took a year to get sorted out. It is totally fine now so BS on all the beetching.
They replaced by battery related to the cold weather stuff for the DAS. Once you get over the psycological barrier of living drive by wire, all is well.
I have a loaded Q50S Hybrid AWD and with 43K on the clock in close to 3 years the car has been bulletproof and it has been my only car for that period of time.
The next time I visit the dealer for service I will try to get some seat time in a red sport and then let folks know how tasty the new motor is.
I had a very early car and confirm the infotainment was not right and took a year to get sorted out. It is totally fine now so BS on all the beetching.
They replaced by battery related to the cold weather stuff for the DAS. Once you get over the psycological barrier of living drive by wire, all is well.
I have a loaded Q50S Hybrid AWD and with 43K on the clock in close to 3 years the car has been bulletproof and it has been my only car for that period of time.
The next time I visit the dealer for service I will try to get some seat time in a red sport and then let folks know how tasty the new motor is.
per BMW website....
340i includes vinyl seats vs real leather in the Infiniti
340i has optional backup camera vs std in Infiniti
340i has 18" wheels vs 19" in Infiniti
Infiniti has std active suspension as well(? its on the BMW site when comparing)
And again, the base BMW MSRP is lower so can already add packages before hitting the Infiniti base price. No idea why you're being so argumentative on this point - I think both these cars are very overrated and overpriced, but the reality is that their pricing scales very similarly from base model to fully equipped.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
speaking of backup cameras, i was stunned (negatively) to learn the (not cheap) M2 does not include a backup camera as standard equipment. that's pathetic.
The Germans have always been behind on this, as we've discussed in other threads. Backup camera wasn't even available at all until the recent 991.2 gen on the 911, for example.
And again, the base BMW MSRP is lower so can already add packages before hitting the Infiniti base price. No idea why you're being so argumentative on this point - I think both these cars are very overrated and overpriced, but the reality is that their pricing scales very similarly from base model to fully equipped.
add leather to the 340i ($1450) and you're right at Red Sport MSRP.
not being argumentative - just stating FACTS ...and yes, they are both overpriced.
Infiniti site sucks - very hard to see all the Red Sport std equipment
Now that the new 300 HP 3-liter V6 twin turbo engine has been added to the Q50 range, Infiniti expects it to become the highest volume engine among the four powerplant choices.
The other three units available in the Q50 range are the new 2.0-liter L4 turbo, the 3.5-liter V6 hybrid and the performance flagship model, the Q50 Red Sport 400 which features a 400 HP/350 lb-ft (474 Nm) version of this twin turbo V6.
While Q50 2.0t and Hybrid Premium models offer prices starting from $33,950 and $47,050 respectively, the 3.0t Premium boasts a $39,900 tag, which also happens to be considerably lower than the Q50 Red Sport 400's MSRP of $47,950.
The top of the line Q50 Sport version comes with a designated chrome "S" badge on the trunk, as well as an updated Direct Adaptive Steering system, driver-selectable Dynamic Digital Suspension, a sportier front fascia, 19" wheels, larger brakes, leather sports seats, aluminum-accented pedals and solid magnesium paddle shifters.
"The 2016 Q50 3.0t Premium's new VR-series 3.0-liter V6 twin turbo engine produces 300 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque," said Infiniti VP Randy Parker. "Positioned as the core volume trim, the Q50 3.0t offers twin turbo V6 performance at a starting MSRP under $40,000 – a price comparable to 4-cylinder engine-equipped vehicles offered by our main competitors."
Parker is of course referring to competitors such as the BMW 328i and its 2.0-liter, 240HP 4-cylinder engine - priced from $38,350.
05-31-16, 12:04 PM
...and yes, they are both overpriced.
