Honda to celebrate its 70th anniversary with new S2000 Roadster
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05-19-16, 03:25 PM
#3
Lexus Fanatic
Good thread, Hoovey (and to C&D, of course). 
The Miata could use some competition...Fiat Spyder sales probably won't come anywhere near it. This car, of course, will also have the torque that most Miata versions (except for the limited-production MazdaSpeed Miata) have lacked for years.
The Miata could use some competition...Fiat Spyder sales probably won't come anywhere near it. This car, of course, will also have the torque that most Miata versions (except for the limited-production MazdaSpeed Miata) have lacked for years.
05-19-16, 03:32 PM
#4
Good thread, Hoovey (and to C&D, of course).
The Miata could use some competition...Fiat Spyder sales probably won't come anywhere near it. This car, of course, will also have the torque that most Miata versions (except for the limited-production MazdaSpeed Miata) have lacked for years.
The Miata could use some competition...Fiat Spyder sales probably won't come anywhere near it. This car, of course, will also have the torque that most Miata versions (except for the limited-production MazdaSpeed Miata) have lacked for years.
05-19-16, 05:56 PM
#5
That starts at far fetched and ends at what a joke.
The idea of building a lowish cost car (S2000 replacement) at the plant with the highest costs (new generation NSX) is idiacy.
The idea of building a lowish cost car (S2000 replacement) at the plant with the highest costs (new generation NSX) is idiacy.
05-19-16, 05:59 PM
#6
Lexus Fanatic
What is likely, though, is that the NSX will be so high-priced that it would subsidize some of the costs of producing the S2000 there.....assuming, of course, that the NSX actually sells enough units to do so. The old NSX, though, was not much of a seller at all.....so widespread appeal is not necessarily something that Honda will be able to depend on.
05-19-16, 06:44 PM
#7
From what I have read the NSX does not exist to make money.
It is unclear if they can increase volume from the roughly 1200 annual units for global sales and make money (they might just lose more money at higher volumes). At this point we don't know if the high initial take rate will be sustained for more that 3 years. They will at least need some form of open top car and that added development costs on top of what they already have into the program.
Honda created an imperfect situation in that the car is kind of late to be released, and it's specs seemed to have been targeted against last gen cars (ex. Ferrari 458).
As history has shown, the other sport car companies will up their game to fight back, and that could result in folks getting a 2017 spec NSX in 2018 and Audi may have dialed a whole lot more performance/customization/electronics into the R8 by then, leaving the NSX in a weaker competitive position, especially if they need to increase pricing (i.e. lower sales volume).
It is unclear if they can increase volume from the roughly 1200 annual units for global sales and make money (they might just lose more money at higher volumes). At this point we don't know if the high initial take rate will be sustained for more that 3 years. They will at least need some form of open top car and that added development costs on top of what they already have into the program.
Honda created an imperfect situation in that the car is kind of late to be released, and it's specs seemed to have been targeted against last gen cars (ex. Ferrari 458).
As history has shown, the other sport car companies will up their game to fight back, and that could result in folks getting a 2017 spec NSX in 2018 and Audi may have dialed a whole lot more performance/customization/electronics into the R8 by then, leaving the NSX in a weaker competitive position, especially if they need to increase pricing (i.e. lower sales volume).
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05-20-16, 02:54 AM
#9
I won't believe it until I see it in the showroom. Sports cars are dead now days, unless you have a well attached name to your car that has sold well over the years, ie Camaro, Corvette, Miata, Mustang, Ferrari, Porsche.
05-20-16, 10:04 PM
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05-21-16, 04:39 PM
#14
I don't think it was overpriced at all myself. I wouldn't be surprised if it cost Lexus a million bucks to make one.
05-21-16, 07:17 PM
#15
The word was, each LFA cost $750K to produce.
The problems were that the car was late to be released, these cars get compared for performance bragging rights (no one seems to understand that the LFA is essentially unbreakable and that should add a lot of value) with customers for these kind of cars tending to be latest and greatest oriented and Lexus suffered rookie mistakes in their marketing program (allocations were decided by Lexus marketing folks and these allocations needed to be approved high in the organization, instead of doing something straightforward like a first come first served business model).
LFA prices have held up extremely well and hopefully will be well over original list in the future.
The problems were that the car was late to be released, these cars get compared for performance bragging rights (no one seems to understand that the LFA is essentially unbreakable and that should add a lot of value) with customers for these kind of cars tending to be latest and greatest oriented and Lexus suffered rookie mistakes in their marketing program (allocations were decided by Lexus marketing folks and these allocations needed to be approved high in the organization, instead of doing something straightforward like a first come first served business model).
LFA prices have held up extremely well and hopefully will be well over original list in the future.