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#61
Lead Lap
You know, after driving both back to back, I'd say a Cadillac CTS is more athletic. GS is a better car overall though.
#62
Moderator
The ES isn't going anywhere...it's true competitor is long gone...the Infiniti I35 which was discontinued in 2004. The ES is King of the hill. I truly look forward to the 7ES, 8ES, 9ES and so on...
Currently Lexus has a few variants around the world:
ES 200
ES 250
ES 300h
ES 350
Currently Lexus has a few variants around the world:
ES 200
ES 250
ES 300h
ES 350
Last edited by Trexus; 02-05-16 at 11:03 PM.
#63
The ES isn't going anywhere...it's true competitor is long gone...the Infiniti I35 which was discontinued in 2004. The ES is King of the hill. I truly look forward to the 7ES, 8ES, 9ES and so on...
Currently Lexus has a few variants around the world:
ES 200
ES 250
ES 300h
ES 350
Currently Lexus has a few variants around the world:
ES 200
ES 250
ES 300h
ES 350
btw, GS has even more versions... GS200t, GS300h, GS350, GS350 AWD, GS450h, GS-F.
#64
Lexus Fanatic
#65
Moderator
GS 200t
GS 250
GS 300h
GS 350
GS 450h
GS F
F Sport all variants.
Last edited by Trexus; 02-06-16 at 03:26 PM.
#66
Lexus Fanatic
Moving the ES to RWD is a bad idea. It would increase the cost, weight, reduce space, add more parts etc etc. The ES is fine for NA as it is. The majority of cars in NA are FWD and most people could care less anyway
#68
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
I guess it depends on if the ES is a higher profit car than the GS, which would justify them wanting more buyers for ES despite GS' higher price.
#69
Lexus Champion
Lol. The es buyer likely has no interest in either a 'mere' Toyota or a 'sports sedan' with polarizing styling. The es is 'safe' luxury at a good value.
Many factors but I would expect total es profit vastly exceeds gs profit and again they're not interchangeable so it's a false assertion to say they can be.
Many factors but I would expect total es profit vastly exceeds gs profit and again they're not interchangeable so it's a false assertion to say they can be.
In a world where there is no ES, the GS would be a proper midsize luxury sedan. This would force Lexus to improve the packaging.
Lexus is a luxury brand not a sport brand, it's in their name, and this recent change in direction towards "sport" is questionable.
The issue is FWD is better for volume because it has a wider appeal and superior packaging. RWD is better for image and prestige. The challenge is balancing the two in the lineup, so you could argue the ES/GS is where Lexus does that balance in the midsize segment.
#70
Instructor
iTrader: (1)
This is a big assumption. How are you so sure about it splitting like that? A person shopping for a large sedan in a certain price range such as the ES might find it hard to move up to the GS. Which leaves them with the option of going for an Avalon or looking elsewhere. The possibility of them looking elsewhere would be high to me imo.
#71
Lead Lap
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This is a big assumption. How are you so sure about it splitting like that? A person shopping for a large sedan in a certain price range such as the ES might find it hard to move up to the GS. Which leaves them with the option of going for an Avalon or looking elsewhere. The possibility of them looking elsewhere would be high to me imo.
#72
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (20)
Lexus is a luxury brand not a sport brand, it's in their name, and this recent change in direction towards "sport" is questionable.
but i think your general point that lexus does luxury better than sport has been true, at least from a perception standpoint, but in reality that's changed - i mean the stock gs350 is generally considered to handle better than a stock 5 series these days. the 5 series got heavier and sloppier and less sporty... but maybe the 'conflicted' messages from lexus is exactly what they want - something for everyone, luxury or sport or both, whatever floats your boat.
i know we all want lexus to move faster but that's just not their way...
The issue is FWD is better for volume because it has a wider appeal and superior packaging. RWD is better for image and prestige. The challenge is balancing the two in the lineup, so you could argue the ES/GS is where Lexus does that balance in the midsize segment.
but it wouldn't be the same thing. lexus already has a gs200t of course.
#73
Lexus Champion
#74
Lexus Champion
It would be interesting to ask an exec from the Lexus Division if they've considered dropping the ES from the line. After a puzzled look, I have an idea what he/she would say.