DrRick

MUCH more room. We were able to get $200 over invoice (over $5k savings) on a 2016 that we ordered with an early allocation. I had to work my *** off to get it but it's better than anyone that I've seen on a new one since you could order one in July. M3's seem to be much more limited. The allocations are much later and there's very little room to negotiate because there just aren't that many available. This all applies to builds and not what is already on the lots. But they are even being stingy with those.

I'm actually thinking of picking up a 2015 M3 in the next few months. The other option is a '13 M5 for around the same price but I'm petrified of the reliability after warranty.

TangoRed

The only thing I can remotely agree with in this post is that it sounds bad; no surprise seeing as how the E46 M3 sounded terrible as well. As for the drive- the turbos very clearly came on early and strong in both the M3 and M4 I drove.

Aron9000

I think you all need to get your ears checked if you think the new M4 or the old E46 sound bad

DrRick

i can tell by owning one that the M4 sounds like pure ****. go on the bimmerpost boards...even the fanboys admit that it doesnt sound good. and it sounds even worse on cold start. it DOES sound better with the exhaust in sport plus mode and higher in the rev range. but it still sounds...terrible.

i dont understand why it sounds so bad. the 2jz was an inline 6 with a pair of turbos...it sounded great.

Och

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BMW's i6 was never the best sounding motor, but I wouldn't say that it sounds bad. Does M3/M4 have exhaust sound enhancement?

chikoo

Worst exhaust ever. I got to hear it when I was at the Cars & Coffee hosted at BMW Classic.

4TehNguyen

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sounds like a lawnmower. Then watch some E90/92 exhaust vids and see the difference

97-SC300

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I'm not sure what mode it was in. I'm not saying it was a slow car, but just slower than I expected it to be based on the numbers. I've worked on dozens of these cars, almost every one was optioned to well over $80k. Did not realize the starting price was only $60k. What's on these cars that costs an additional $20-$25k? The carbon roof and lip kit? None of them had ceramic rotors so that can't be it....

CapeDave

LOL, have not shopped BMW for awhile. I also see that Mercedes is doing it in their new SUV crossover. Messes with my view I do not like that.

DrRick

you have to have damn near every option...including the CCB's at $8K...for the price to go over $80k. and you have to get 'individual' interior or paint to go 'well over' $80K. a normally optioned M4 runs at around the $75-78K range. $2-3000 less for the M3...

of course...if the owner got some of the M Performance aftermarket equipment...that can add up really, REALLY quick. the exhaust is like 4 grand and then there are all kindsa CF interior add-ons and aero goodies.

EthanV

M4 is ok sound and for that kinda of money it should be sound better. What can we expect it only a I6. Cant touch the sound of RCF.

rominl

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could be me, but even the v8 in the e9x didn't sound so well in cold start. once warmed up though it's a different story

rominl

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to be fair i think c63 sounds better

TangoRed

Even the people on BMW forums have criticized the E46 M3 and F80 exhaust notes. The sound clearly wasn't the highest of priorities.

It actually is better for your view than the hump over the nav screen like the last-gen 3-series.

UDel

I agree, 60K is ridiculous for a entry level car, that is the reason so many luxury sales come from leases and why expensive luxury cars tend to depreciate like rocks after a few years.