Toyota trucks to ISIS: America’s wrongest reporter strikes again. Cui bono?
10-13-15, 11:08 AM
#31
Lexus Fanatic
One factor, though, is that the 21st century has also caught up with the Middle East. To get across the deserts, one does not necessarily have to have the equivalent of a motorized camel any more. Nor does one necessarily have to use his or vehicle to crawl through the sand dunes.....there is now a network of roads, usually paved.. That's been one of the advantages of having oil money, of course....funding for infrastructure.
The beefy front end of the G-wagon will take so much more abuse than the 200. The rear likely too.
10-13-15, 12:12 PM
#32
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The US Treasury has recently opened an inquiry about the so-called “Islamic State’s” (ISIS/ISIL) use of large numbers of brand-new Toyota trucks. The issue has arisen in the wake of Russia’s air operations over Syria and growing global suspicion that the US itself has played a key role in arming, funding, and intentionally perpetuating the terrorist army across Syria and Iraq.
ABC News in their article, “US Officials Ask How ISIS Got So Many Toyota Trucks,” reports:
U.S. counter-terror officials have asked Toyota, the world’s second largest auto maker, to help them determine how ISIS has managed to acquire the large number of Toyota pick-up trucks and SUVs seen prominently in the terror group’s propaganda videos in Iraq, Syria and Libya, ABC News has learned.
Toyota says it does not know how ISIS obtained the vehicles and is “supporting” the inquiry led by the Terror Financing unit of the Treasury Department — part of a broad U.S. effort to prevent Western-made goods from ending up in the hands of the terror group.
The report went on to cite Iraqi Ambassador to the US, Lukman Faily:
“This is a question we’ve been asking our neighbors,” Faily said. “How could these brand new trucks… these four wheel drives, hundreds of them — where are they coming from?”
Not surprisingly, it appears the US Treasury is asking the wrong party. Instead of Toyota, the US Treasury’s inquiry should have started next door at the US State Department.
Mystery Solved
Just last year it was reported that the US State Department had been sending in fleets of specifically Toyota-brand trucks into Syria to whom they claimed was the “Free Syrian Army.”
US foundation-funded Public Radio International (PRI) reported in a 2014 article titled, “This one Toyota pickup truck is at the top of the shopping list for the Free Syrian Army — and the Taliban,” that:
Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.
Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.
“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons..
The British government has also admittedly supplied a number of vehicles to terrorists fighting inside of Syria. The British Independent’s 2013 article titled, “Revealed: What the West has given Syria’s rebels,” reported that (emphasis added):
So far the UK has sent around £8m of “non-lethal” aid, according to official papers seen by The Independent, comprising five 4×4 vehicles with ballistic protection; 20 sets of body armour; four trucks (three 25 tonne, one 20 tonne); six 4×4 SUVs; five non-armoured pick-ups; one recovery vehicle; four fork-lifts; three advanced “resilience kits” for region hubs, designed to rescue people in emergencies; 130 solar powered batteries; around 400 radios; water purification and rubbish collection kits; laptops; VSATs (small satellite systems for data communications) and printers.
It’s fair to say that whatever pipeline the US State Department and the British government used to supply terrorists in Syria with these trucks was likely used to send additional vehicles before and after these reports were made public.
The mystery of how hundreds of identical, brand-new ISIS-owned Toyota trucks have made it into Syria is solved. Not only has the US and British government admitted in the past to supplying them, their military forces and intelligence agencies ply the borders of Turkey, Jordan, and even Iraq where these fleets of trucks must have surely passed on their way to Syria – even if other regional actors supplied them. While previous admissions to supplying the vehicles implicates the West directly, that nothing resembling interdiction operations have been set up along any of these borders implicates the West as complicit with other parties also supplying vehicles to terrorists inside of Syria.
What Mystery?
Of course, much of this is not new information. So the question remains – why is the US Treasury just now carrying on with this transparent charade? Perhaps those in Washington believe that if the US government is the one asking this obvious question of how ISIS has managed to field such an impressive mechanized army in the middle of the Syrian desert, no one will suspect they had a role in it.
Of course, the trucks didn’t materialize in Syria. They originated outside of Syria and were brought in, and in great numbers, with the explicit knowledge and/or direct complicity of the US and its regional allies. Asking Toyota where the US State Department’s own trucks came from is another indication of just how lost US foreign policy, legitimacy, and credibility has become.
Russia’s intervention, and what should become a widely supported anti-terror coalition must keep in mind the criminality of the US and its partners when choosing its own partners in efforts to restore security and order across the Middle East and North Africa.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mys...solved/5480921
The US Treasury has recently opened an inquiry about the so-called “Islamic State’s” (ISIS/ISIL) use of large numbers of brand-new Toyota trucks. The issue has arisen in the wake of Russia’s air operations over Syria and growing global suspicion that the US itself has played a key role in arming, funding, and intentionally perpetuating the terrorist army across Syria and Iraq.
ABC News in their article, “US Officials Ask How ISIS Got So Many Toyota Trucks,” reports:
U.S. counter-terror officials have asked Toyota, the world’s second largest auto maker, to help them determine how ISIS has managed to acquire the large number of Toyota pick-up trucks and SUVs seen prominently in the terror group’s propaganda videos in Iraq, Syria and Libya, ABC News has learned.
Toyota says it does not know how ISIS obtained the vehicles and is “supporting” the inquiry led by the Terror Financing unit of the Treasury Department — part of a broad U.S. effort to prevent Western-made goods from ending up in the hands of the terror group.
The report went on to cite Iraqi Ambassador to the US, Lukman Faily:
“This is a question we’ve been asking our neighbors,” Faily said. “How could these brand new trucks… these four wheel drives, hundreds of them — where are they coming from?”
Not surprisingly, it appears the US Treasury is asking the wrong party. Instead of Toyota, the US Treasury’s inquiry should have started next door at the US State Department.
Mystery Solved
Just last year it was reported that the US State Department had been sending in fleets of specifically Toyota-brand trucks into Syria to whom they claimed was the “Free Syrian Army.”
US foundation-funded Public Radio International (PRI) reported in a 2014 article titled, “This one Toyota pickup truck is at the top of the shopping list for the Free Syrian Army — and the Taliban,” that:
Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.
Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.
“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons..
The British government has also admittedly supplied a number of vehicles to terrorists fighting inside of Syria. The British Independent’s 2013 article titled, “Revealed: What the West has given Syria’s rebels,” reported that (emphasis added):
So far the UK has sent around £8m of “non-lethal” aid, according to official papers seen by The Independent, comprising five 4×4 vehicles with ballistic protection; 20 sets of body armour; four trucks (three 25 tonne, one 20 tonne); six 4×4 SUVs; five non-armoured pick-ups; one recovery vehicle; four fork-lifts; three advanced “resilience kits” for region hubs, designed to rescue people in emergencies; 130 solar powered batteries; around 400 radios; water purification and rubbish collection kits; laptops; VSATs (small satellite systems for data communications) and printers.
It’s fair to say that whatever pipeline the US State Department and the British government used to supply terrorists in Syria with these trucks was likely used to send additional vehicles before and after these reports were made public.
The mystery of how hundreds of identical, brand-new ISIS-owned Toyota trucks have made it into Syria is solved. Not only has the US and British government admitted in the past to supplying them, their military forces and intelligence agencies ply the borders of Turkey, Jordan, and even Iraq where these fleets of trucks must have surely passed on their way to Syria – even if other regional actors supplied them. While previous admissions to supplying the vehicles implicates the West directly, that nothing resembling interdiction operations have been set up along any of these borders implicates the West as complicit with other parties also supplying vehicles to terrorists inside of Syria.
What Mystery?
Of course, much of this is not new information. So the question remains – why is the US Treasury just now carrying on with this transparent charade? Perhaps those in Washington believe that if the US government is the one asking this obvious question of how ISIS has managed to field such an impressive mechanized army in the middle of the Syrian desert, no one will suspect they had a role in it.
Of course, the trucks didn’t materialize in Syria. They originated outside of Syria and were brought in, and in great numbers, with the explicit knowledge and/or direct complicity of the US and its regional allies. Asking Toyota where the US State Department’s own trucks came from is another indication of just how lost US foreign policy, legitimacy, and credibility has become.
Russia’s intervention, and what should become a widely supported anti-terror coalition must keep in mind the criminality of the US and its partners when choosing its own partners in efforts to restore security and order across the Middle East and North Africa.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mys...solved/5480921
10-13-15, 01:28 PM
#33
Lexus Champion
I do agree. But if you are going to travel into the harshest terrians that could be worn torn, I would prefer a solid axle with locking diffs over a much weaker IFS found in the 200 series front end.
The beefy front end of the G-wagon will take so much more abuse than the 200. The rear likely too.
The beefy front end of the G-wagon will take so much more abuse than the 200. The rear likely too.
You have conveniently forgotten that the US military's Humvee rides on a 4-wheel independent suspension. Who says that an independent suspension is not suited to desert use?
10-13-15, 02:20 PM
#35
Lexus Fanatic
Not only that, but the H1 Hummer has built-in air-compressors/bleeders that can adjust tire pressures from a switch inside the vehicle, for varying terrain or water conditions under the wheels.
10-13-15, 03:05 PM
#36
Lexus Fanatic
10-13-15, 04:15 PM
#37
Lexus Test Driver
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rs#post9167480
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rs#post9039272
Last edited by My0gr81; 10-13-15 at 04:23 PM.
10-13-15, 06:08 PM
#38
Lexus Fanatic
isnt it obvious that they use them because they are reliable ? They are very popular in the deserts of the middle east because they handle heat well, they are cheap, reliable, and relatively simple to work on.
10-13-15, 06:27 PM
#39
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
good article from PM:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...pickup-trucks/
Considering how easy they take M1 tanks and Humwees from Iraqi soldiers, no wonder they got a lot of Hiluxes while looting and stealing across Iraq.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...pickup-trucks/
No, Toyota Is Not Supplying ISIS With Pickup Trucks
Scrounging, looting terrorists are just driving the most popular trucks in the Middle East
Scrounging, looting terrorists are just driving the most popular trucks in the Middle East
All of this, of course, reflects only used trucks. Toyota has been the world's largest auto maker for four of the last five years, only failing to take the top spot in 2011 because of that year's earthquake and tsunami disaster. According to the web site DoDBuzz, Toyota sold 683,900 vehicles in the Middle East in 2012. More pertinently, as the ABC News report says, Toyota sold 31,000 Hiluxes and Land Cruisers in Iraq between 2013 and 2014.
Enter ISIS. The Islamic State is a terrorist group that scavenges everything from weapons to transportation—confiscating, stealing, and "liberating" anything useful it can find. As a light utility vehicle capable of carrying anything from half a dozen fighters to an anti-tank missile launcher, it favors pickup trucks. And naturally, a large number of them are going to be white. Do the math, and statistics state that the majority of those stolen and scavenged pickup trucks are going to be Toyotas—and white
Enter ISIS. The Islamic State is a terrorist group that scavenges everything from weapons to transportation—confiscating, stealing, and "liberating" anything useful it can find. As a light utility vehicle capable of carrying anything from half a dozen fighters to an anti-tank missile launcher, it favors pickup trucks. And naturally, a large number of them are going to be white. Do the math, and statistics state that the majority of those stolen and scavenged pickup trucks are going to be Toyotas—and white
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