What is the deal with the new LX?
08-30-15, 02:53 PM
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LC has great mechanicals, so if someone needs a great SUV, its there... if someone needs luxury vehicle, then thats not really the LC... LX does that much, much better.
I had LC200 V8 as a company car for a while, and again, it is great SUV, not a great luxury vehicle... i know they improved the bits in all the MMCs (facelifts), but real thing is called LX570... it is night and day difference.
I had LC200 V8 as a company car for a while, and again, it is great SUV, not a great luxury vehicle... i know they improved the bits in all the MMCs (facelifts), but real thing is called LX570... it is night and day difference.
The Lexus is higher end with some nicer materials. But both vehicles operate quite similarly. The LC and LX are in class that are quite a bit higher than a Jeep or pretty much anything American.
08-30-15, 04:45 PM
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What is the deal with the new LX?
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The LC and LX are in class that are quite a bit higher than a Jeep or pretty much anything American.
08-30-15, 05:15 PM
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08-30-15, 05:29 PM
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Not sure what you are trying to get at it in regards to sales volumes. Sales volumes really does not mean all that much.
08-30-15, 05:36 PM
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What is the deal with the new LX?
My point is the Escalade clearly is a very good competitor and its American.
Sales figures mean everything. Carmakers are in the business of selling cars, what ultimately matters is that people buy the cars, that they appeal to the correct demographic. They don't just produce cars for the fun of it.
Ultimately, the proof is in those sales figures. Consumers are paying more for the LX than the LC, despite them being essentially the same vehicle.
Neither vehicle is really set up to be a volume seller in this segment, like an Escalade or a Range Rover. From the perspective of autos as a business...they are the superior product because they're reaching the consumer and generating sales.
Sales figures mean everything. Carmakers are in the business of selling cars, what ultimately matters is that people buy the cars, that they appeal to the correct demographic. They don't just produce cars for the fun of it.
Ultimately, the proof is in those sales figures. Consumers are paying more for the LX than the LC, despite them being essentially the same vehicle.
Neither vehicle is really set up to be a volume seller in this segment, like an Escalade or a Range Rover. From the perspective of autos as a business...they are the superior product because they're reaching the consumer and generating sales.
08-30-15, 05:54 PM
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My point is the Escalade clearly is a very good competitor and its American.
Sales figures mean everything. Carmakers are in the business of selling cars, what ultimately matters is that people buy the cars, that they appeal to the correct demographic. They don't just produce cars for the fun of it.
Ultimately, the proof is in those sales figures. Consumers are paying more for the LX than the LC, despite them being essentially the same vehicle.
Neither vehicle is really set up to be a volume seller in this segment, like an Escalade or a Range Rover. From the perspective of autos as a business...they are the superior product because they're reaching the consumer and generating sales.
Sales figures mean everything. Carmakers are in the business of selling cars, what ultimately matters is that people buy the cars, that they appeal to the correct demographic. They don't just produce cars for the fun of it.
Ultimately, the proof is in those sales figures. Consumers are paying more for the LX than the LC, despite them being essentially the same vehicle.
Neither vehicle is really set up to be a volume seller in this segment, like an Escalade or a Range Rover. From the perspective of autos as a business...they are the superior product because they're reaching the consumer and generating sales.
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08-30-15, 05:57 PM
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What is the deal with the new LX?
Originally Posted by ydooby
No, a vehicle generates better sales because it better meets the needs of more consumers, not necessarily because it's superior. The LC and the LX don't sell as many as the Escalade only because few consumers actually need or can notice the additional capabilities afforded by the LC/LX's superiority.
If we don't take the business aspect of these products into account when judging them were basically just playing "fantasy autos" here.
08-30-15, 06:03 PM
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No, a vehicle generates better sales because it better meets the needs of more consumers, not necessarily because it's superior. The LC and the LX don't sell as many as the Escalade only because few consumers actually need or can notice the additional capabilities afforded by the LC/LX's superiority, not because the Escalade is a superior vehicle. In other words, the LC/LX is over-engineered for the mainstream US market, while the Escalade offers a better value for what most of the US consumers need.
08-30-15, 06:12 PM
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Then in what way is it "superior" to the target market? It's not. It's not an excellent vehicle to the consumer who buys such a vehicle in this particular market, which is why they don't buy them.
If we don't take the business aspect of these products into account when judging them were basically just playing "fantasy autos" here.
If we don't take the business aspect of these products into account when judging them were basically just playing "fantasy autos" here.
This is just like how most sports cars are clearly superior vehicles in dynamics to most mainstream vehicles, but because few consumers actually need to accelerate or corner at such velocity, they don't sell nearly as many as less capable but less expensive cars.
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08-30-15, 06:34 PM
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The Escalade sells for one basic reason......it has big, traditional American BLING, which is becoming quite rare nowadays on today's vehicles. Even its own closest competitor, the Lincoln Navigator, isn't quite in the same league. Those who want to surround themselves with acres of sheet metal, chrome, wood trim, and plushness find that the Escalade probably does it like no other, short of the $300K Rolls/Bentley class.
08-30-15, 06:40 PM
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Many 4x4 magazines have validated the LC and the LX's superior capabilities in some of the most demanding offroad conditions. Most US consumers, however, don't live in or ever venture into such extreme areas to be able to appreciate the LC/LX's capabilities, so the Escalade is "good enough" for them, but it doesn't mean the Escalade is superior in any way except value.
This is just like how most sports cars are clearly superior vehicles in dynamics to most mainstream vehicles, but because few consumers actually need to accelerate or corner at such velocity, they don't sell nearly as many as less capable but less expensive cars.
This is just like how most sports cars are clearly superior vehicles in dynamics to most mainstream vehicles, but because few consumers actually need to accelerate or corner at such velocity, they don't sell nearly as many as less capable but less expensive cars.
08-30-15, 07:01 PM
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What is the deal with the new LX?
I'm not denying that the LC is a very capable off-road vehicle. It is not a successful or broadly appealing vehicle in the U.S. though, that's also undeniable.
The issue is, as I've said, what makes the LC Special is something that American consumers don't need or want, and unlike the LX it doesn't also have the panache, status, or quality of a luxury vehicle commensurate with its price point...thus its poor sales. That's why the more expensive LX outsells it by 50%.
So, it may be a great vehicle, but it's not an appealing vehicle in this market.
The issue is, as I've said, what makes the LC Special is something that American consumers don't need or want, and unlike the LX it doesn't also have the panache, status, or quality of a luxury vehicle commensurate with its price point...thus its poor sales. That's why the more expensive LX outsells it by 50%.
So, it may be a great vehicle, but it's not an appealing vehicle in this market.
08-30-15, 07:12 PM
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I think you would be interested to know that globally they sold 33,065 Escalades in 2014 and 28,600 LX 570's. I think between 2015 and 2016 the LX will outsell the Escalade (globally) especially after the 2016 update.
LC200 isn't even in the same league in terms of sales as that sold around 120k units in 2014 and just keeps increasing but then keep in mind most of those sales aren't of the fully loaded versions but the basic/mid spec versions which cost much cheaper.
I know you are talking about the US market, no doubt the Escalade outsells both of them at home.
LC200 isn't even in the same league in terms of sales as that sold around 120k units in 2014 and just keeps increasing but then keep in mind most of those sales aren't of the fully loaded versions but the basic/mid spec versions which cost much cheaper.
I know you are talking about the US market, no doubt the Escalade outsells both of them at home.
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08-30-15, 07:12 PM
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I'm not denying that the LC is a very capable off-road vehicle. It is not a successful or broadly appealing vehicle in the U.S. though, that's also undeniable.
The issue is, as I've said, what makes the LC Special is something that American consumers don't need or want, and unlike the LX it doesn't also have the panache, status, or quality of a luxury vehicle commensurate with its price point...thus its poor sales. That's why the more expensive LX outsells it by 50%.
So, it may be a great vehicle, but it's not an appealing vehicle in this market.
The issue is, as I've said, what makes the LC Special is something that American consumers don't need or want, and unlike the LX it doesn't also have the panache, status, or quality of a luxury vehicle commensurate with its price point...thus its poor sales. That's why the more expensive LX outsells it by 50%.
So, it may be a great vehicle, but it's not an appealing vehicle in this market.