Electric Car Drivers Tell Ford: We'll Never Go Back To Gasoline
08-12-15, 07:37 AM
#16
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For me, this is the way I look at it.
My Corolla is a $21K car and I absolutely love it. It does not cost me all that much in gas ($45 a week) and get about 675km on a tank. I would gladly pay $2-3k more if they could make it electric with a range of 80km per day. I would like it to still have the gas engine which would only be used if the my range was to exceed 80km a day limit.
The issue is not that the Corolla burns to much gas, its that I may never need to visit a gas station again as I could get my short range electric car as well as a gas tank that comes with it for range.
My Corolla is a $21K car and I absolutely love it. It does not cost me all that much in gas ($45 a week) and get about 675km on a tank. I would gladly pay $2-3k more if they could make it electric with a range of 80km per day. I would like it to still have the gas engine which would only be used if the my range was to exceed 80km a day limit.
The issue is not that the Corolla burns to much gas, its that I may never need to visit a gas station again as I could get my short range electric car as well as a gas tank that comes with it for range.
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/chevro...cp=True&srt=12
And if the charging station is on the grid? Coal-Fired PowerStations are non-renewable.
Like I said above, there is no one solution to energy. This is why I like hybrids though, you tend to get a good balance of performance and efficiency. Still waiting on a GS plug-in.
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This article is about Ford though. If 9/10 surveyors say they won't go back to ICE, then I refer back to this post:
Ford's sitting on a potential gold mine.
Like I said above, there is no one solution to energy. This is why I like hybrids though, you tend to get a good balance of performance and efficiency. Still waiting on a GS plug-in.
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This article is about Ford though. If 9/10 surveyors say they won't go back to ICE, then I refer back to this post:
Ford's sitting on a potential gold mine.
And yep, I agree Ford is blowing it by not releasing a next gen Escape Hybrid/Plug-in....I just don't understand their logic....
Last edited by bagwell; 08-12-15 at 07:41 AM.
08-12-15, 08:43 AM
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08-12-15, 08:46 AM
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@ Bagwell, I actually paid $19,200 before taxes etc. I think it came out to $23,599 total. The Volt in Canada starts at $40k, then taxes etc makes it around $45k.
The Corolla gets the same performance as the Volt and has excellrt fuel economy. The only thing attractive about the Volt is the electric range. But not the huge premium.
I also do not ever by used cars. (Moms 4Runner was an exception).
The Corolla gets the same performance as the Volt and has excellrt fuel economy. The only thing attractive about the Volt is the electric range. But not the huge premium.
I also do not ever by used cars. (Moms 4Runner was an exception).
08-12-15, 09:15 AM
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@ Bagwell, I actually paid $19,200 before taxes etc. I think it came out to $23,599 total. The Volt in Canada starts at $40k, then taxes etc makes it around $45k.
The Corolla gets the same performance as the Volt and has excellrt fuel economy. The only thing attractive about the Volt is the electric range. But not the huge premium.
I also do not ever by used cars. (Moms 4Runner was an exception).
The Corolla gets the same performance as the Volt and has excellrt fuel economy. The only thing attractive about the Volt is the electric range. But not the huge premium.
I also do not ever by used cars. (Moms 4Runner was an exception).
08-12-15, 11:30 AM
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Reality: A new battery of the Tesla Model S 85 costs $44,564 before tax and labor.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with an electric car is still at the mercy of charging stations happening to be along the way--and they often don't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with an electric car is still at the mercy of charging stations happening to be along the way--and they often don't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
Last edited by ydooby; 08-12-15 at 11:37 AM.
08-12-15, 11:46 AM
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Reality: A new battery of the Tesla Model S 85 costs $44,564 before tax and labor.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with an electric car is still at the mercy of charging stations happening to be along the way--and they often don't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with an electric car is still at the mercy of charging stations happening to be along the way--and they often don't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with gasoline powered car is still at the mercy of gas stations happening to be along the way--and they often aren't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
08-12-15, 12:11 PM
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Reality: A new battery of the Tesla Model S 85 costs $44,564 before tax and labor.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with an electric car is still at the mercy of charging stations happening to be along the way--and they often don't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
Reality: A road trip to scenic (and often less populated) areas with an electric car is still at the mercy of charging stations happening to be along the way--and they often don't, which means countless wastes of time and detours.
08-12-15, 02:41 PM
#25
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For me, this is the way I look at it.
My Corolla is a $21K car and I absolutely love it. It does not cost me all that much in gas ($45 a week) and get about 675km on a tank. I would gladly pay $2-3k more if they could make it electric with a range of 80km per day. I would like it to still have the gas engine which would only be used if the my range was to exceed 80km a day limit.
The issue is not that the Corolla burns to much gas, its that I may never need to visit a gas station again as I could get my short range electric car as well as a gas tank that comes with it for range.
My Corolla is a $21K car and I absolutely love it. It does not cost me all that much in gas ($45 a week) and get about 675km on a tank. I would gladly pay $2-3k more if they could make it electric with a range of 80km per day. I would like it to still have the gas engine which would only be used if the my range was to exceed 80km a day limit.
The issue is not that the Corolla burns to much gas, its that I may never need to visit a gas station again as I could get my short range electric car as well as a gas tank that comes with it for range.
And, of course, there is the Prius C (Toyota Aqua)...which runs about the same list price as your Corolla (less, maybe, after tax credits). Like the Chevy Spark, it is not particularly comfortable to drive, but has the gas-engine backup you want for extended-range at a low price.
08-12-15, 02:46 PM
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And if the charging station is on the grid? Coal-Fired PowerStations are non-renewable.
Like I said above, there is no one solution to energy. This is why I like hybrids though, you tend to get a good balance of performance and efficiency. Still waiting on a GS plug-in.
___
This article is about Ford though. If 9/10 surveyors say they won't go back to ICE, then I refer back to this post:
Ford's sitting on a potential gold mine.
Like I said above, there is no one solution to energy. This is why I like hybrids though, you tend to get a good balance of performance and efficiency. Still waiting on a GS plug-in.
___
This article is about Ford though. If 9/10 surveyors say they won't go back to ICE, then I refer back to this post:
Ford's sitting on a potential gold mine.
08-12-15, 06:07 PM
#28
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Is the 80km one-way or round-trip? If round-trip, the Ford Focus Electric or Chevy Electric Spark may come close to meeting your range and price requirements, especially after tax-credit discounts (though Canada tax law may or not have the same credits). You would (probably) like the Focus a little better, as the Spark is tiny, unrefined, and not comparable to your Corolla in comfort...but the Focus Electric also costs more.
And, of course, there is the Prius C (Toyota Aqua)...which runs about the same list price as your Corolla (less, maybe, after tax credits). Like the Chevy Spark, it is not particularly comfortable to drive, but has the gas-engine backup you want for extended-range at a low price.
And, of course, there is the Prius C (Toyota Aqua)...which runs about the same list price as your Corolla (less, maybe, after tax credits). Like the Chevy Spark, it is not particularly comfortable to drive, but has the gas-engine backup you want for extended-range at a low price.
The price premium needs to be in and around $2000-$3000 and I'm in.
08-12-15, 07:48 PM
#29
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Have you looked at a Prius C? It starts at just about the same price as your Corolla in U.S. dollars. It also has both gasoline and electric motors. But, like the Spark, it is not particularly comfortable to drive.
08-12-15, 08:11 PM
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you're in CA right? any tax incentives there?
In Ontario, for example, consumers are eligible for up to $8500 in rebates when purchasing certain BEVs or PHEVs, although HEVs are not eligible.
Last edited by bagwell; 08-12-15 at 08:16 PM.