The future of car engines / pricing
08-03-15, 03:25 PM
#16
Not with the Lincoln MKZ which is a no cost option. Base price = $35,190 regardless of hybrid or Non
Because people are buying them now and they aren't the dark horse they once were. Subsidies still exist for Plug-In Hybrid vehicles that have an ICE and EV range.
08-03-15, 03:25 PM
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08-03-15, 03:27 PM
#18
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Engine for engine perhaps, but vehicle to vehicle not always. A Mustang GT with 435hp $32,700 base is cheaper than a CLA 45 AMG with 355hp $48,500 base
Not with the Lincoln MKZ which is a no cost option. Base price = $35,190 regardless of hybrid or Non
Because people are buying them now and they aren't the dark horse they once were. Subsidies still exist for Plug-In Hybrid vehicles that have an ICE and EV range.
Not with the Lincoln MKZ which is a no cost option. Base price = $35,190 regardless of hybrid or Non
Because people are buying them now and they aren't the dark horse they once were. Subsidies still exist for Plug-In Hybrid vehicles that have an ICE and EV range.
08-03-15, 05:40 PM
#19
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True, but Ford can also get higher prices for the V8 Mustang GT (over the V6 version) simply because of the GT's wide popularity, not just because it has a larger engine and more equipment on it that costs more to produce.....although production costs are indeed part of it.
08-03-15, 06:43 PM
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True, but Ford can also get higher prices for the V8 Mustang GT (over the V6 version) simply because of the GT's wide popularity, not just because it has a larger engine and more equipment on it that costs more to produce.....although production costs are indeed part of it.
08-03-15, 10:51 PM
#22
While driving my NX today in some local traffic and seeing my mpg since last refill drop I was thinking that my 235 hp engine combined with hybrid tech for city traffic or cruising can be nice and probably lift the avg mpg on my vehicle from around 25 to 30 or higher.
#2 is interesting. I'm watching Honda's development of their latest full hybrid system (The one in the Accord and RLX). The RLX's application is probably what Lexus should've done if they wanted to go the performance route (I'm looking at you, GS450h). It's an AWD hybrid setup with independent rear electric motors that can send power to each of the rear wheels independently and can brake (by regeneration) to improve cornering characteristics (better cornering + regen some energy back to the battery without using the brake pads? win-win IMO)
08-04-15, 06:25 AM
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going back to the original topic I am saying that I think at some point the base engine for a motor vehicle company will be the Prius style Eco hybrid. When you step up to advanced models you will add more of a sport hybrid. Then the elite line will be an elite all gas style engine like in the top line vehicles (ie. Lexus RC-F or even the Lexus LS).
for MPG
Eco hybrid will be like a Prius - 50 mpg
regular hybrid will be like the NX or Camry hybrid - 35 to 40 mpg with about 200 hp
Sport hybrid will be like an Infiniti Q50 or Acura RLX hybrid - 30-33 mpg while delivering over 300 hp
Traditional sport engine like a Lexus RC-F or Lexus LS - 20-24 mpg while delivering superior horsepower
for MPG
Eco hybrid will be like a Prius - 50 mpg
regular hybrid will be like the NX or Camry hybrid - 35 to 40 mpg with about 200 hp
Sport hybrid will be like an Infiniti Q50 or Acura RLX hybrid - 30-33 mpg while delivering over 300 hp
Traditional sport engine like a Lexus RC-F or Lexus LS - 20-24 mpg while delivering superior horsepower
08-04-15, 10:41 AM
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going back to the original topic I am saying that I think at some point the base engine for a motor vehicle company will be the Prius style Eco hybrid. When you step up to advanced models you will add more of a sport hybrid. Then the elite line will be an elite all gas style engine like in the top line vehicles (ie. Lexus RC-F or even the Lexus LS).
08-04-15, 02:20 PM
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going back to the original topic I am saying that I think at some point the base engine for a motor vehicle company will be the Prius style Eco hybrid. When you step up to advanced models you will add more of a sport hybrid. Then the elite line will be an elite all gas style engine like in the top line vehicles (ie. Lexus RC-F or even the Lexus LS).
hybrid tech isn't free and 'base engines' are likely to stay normally aspirated or turbocharged (latter also not free, but less expensive than hybrid gear).
hybrid tech will be on specialty economy cars like prius, and internal combustion engines (are) will continue to be be used as generators on cars like the volt, i3, and i8.
and as you probably know, hybrid is now making a big push on exotics, where cost is pretty much not an issue. this is not for fuel economy, but it is for dramatic performance from brands like porsche (918) and ferrari (la ferrari, i believe).
besides that hybrid just doesn't make much of a dent because it's EXPENSIVE to implement so the value add on 'regular' vehicles isn't there. hybrid obviously has other wins like quiet take off, some nice extra low/mid punch, and of course, better fuel economy, but it's a big up front cost for those benefits.
Eco hybrid will be like a Prius - 50 mpg
regular hybrid will be like the NX or Camry hybrid - 35 to 40 mpg with about 200 hp
Sport hybrid will be like an Infiniti Q50 or Acura RLX hybrid - 30-33 mpg while delivering over 300 hp
Traditional sport engine like a Lexus RC-F or Lexus LS - 20-24 mpg while delivering superior horsepower
regular hybrid will be like the NX or Camry hybrid - 35 to 40 mpg with about 200 hp
Sport hybrid will be like an Infiniti Q50 or Acura RLX hybrid - 30-33 mpg while delivering over 300 hp
Traditional sport engine like a Lexus RC-F or Lexus LS - 20-24 mpg while delivering superior horsepower
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