Why doesn't toyota or lexus have diesels in the United states
08-03-15, 01:35 AM
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Some places that's true, but diesel fuel, in general, is still harder to find than gas.
OK, it may be cheaper, but is it factory-approved fluid, and is it adequate for the job? One can also buy cheap motor-oil in those stores that doesn't meet factory or SAE standards, or cheap cut-rate gasoline brands that don't have the necessary detergent additives in them to keep engines and fuel-systems clean.
OK, it may be cheaper, but is it factory-approved fluid, and is it adequate for the job? One can also buy cheap motor-oil in those stores that doesn't meet factory or SAE standards, or cheap cut-rate gasoline brands that don't have the necessary detergent additives in them to keep engines and fuel-systems clean.
Its the price premium ppl need to pay to get into a diesel model. Its doesnt pencil in gas savings over the life if the car.
Hybrids havent helped matters for diesel. Yes you can get more than 50mpg in a vw golf, if you are on the highway for a long stretch. With a prius. You will get about 50mpg no matter where you drive it, and prius's are really cheap. My wife has one. Gets better mpg than my motorcycle (liter bike
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08-03-15, 02:38 AM
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New diesels for truck based vehicles are going to be sold in Japan even and not only that, but their yearly diesel sales are around 1 million for TMC. Thats pretty large number, they are one of the largest diesel engine producers in the world.
TMC being TMC though, they will not create new engine just for 20,000 sales per year in the USA. They might buy one from Cummins if rumors are correct though.
08-03-15, 10:34 AM
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of course they do... BMW diesels is only a recent thing that replaced AD engines only due to EuroVI upcoming changes.... but best seller in Europe is still 1.4 d4d from Toyota and there are other markets that offer diesels in larger vehicles.
New diesels for truck based vehicles are going to be sold in Japan even and not only that, but their yearly diesel sales are around 1 million for TMC. Thats pretty large number, they are one of the largest diesel engine producers in the world.
TMC being TMC though, they will not create new engine just for 20,000 sales per year in the USA. They might buy one from Cummins if rumors are correct though.
New diesels for truck based vehicles are going to be sold in Japan even and not only that, but their yearly diesel sales are around 1 million for TMC. Thats pretty large number, they are one of the largest diesel engine producers in the world.
TMC being TMC though, they will not create new engine just for 20,000 sales per year in the USA. They might buy one from Cummins if rumors are correct though.
As far as Lexus models I think that TMS rightly or wrongly believes most luxury customer prefer the added refinement of gas engine over a diesel.
08-03-15, 10:47 AM
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As much as I would love to see a Cummins Tundra its not going to happen. Toyota barely makes money on the Tundra as it is and adding more cost and variation to the line-up would only shrink that.
As far as Lexus models I think that TMS rightly or wrongly believes most luxury customer prefer the added refinement of gas engine over a diesel.
As far as Lexus models I think that TMS rightly or wrongly believes most luxury customer prefer the added refinement of gas engine over a diesel.
08-03-15, 11:06 AM
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not sure if they actually make money on them or not but sales of the full sized Tundra have always been underachieving since the San Antonio plant opened, so much that they added Tacoma manufacturing there in 2010 to better utilize the plant.
08-03-15, 12:00 PM
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I am sure they lost some money on the first years when they were making them at Indiana and Texas, but now they pretty much have a vehicle that is in its 9th MY and the tooling is long paid off, consolidated with the Tacoma, I bet they are making Mega profits at this point.
08-03-15, 12:16 PM
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I am sure they lost some money on the first years when they were making them at Indiana and Texas, but now they pretty much have a vehicle that is in its 9th MY and the tooling is long paid off, consolidated with the Tacoma, I bet they are making Mega profits at this point.
http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...he-tundra.aspx
08-03-15, 03:05 PM
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Diesel engines are super expensive to R&D and build and certify for all the regulations in the US. The older diesels Toyota does use would be cost prohibitive to build for the US market.
Also with Europe's increasing focus on particulate emissions due to increasing smog in cities (reports now saying worse than China's major cities) the diesel engine I think will die a slow death on the consumer market.
While I would love for Toyota to but a torquey diesel in its trucks, I'm not going to hold my breath. They're running full speed ahead with hybrid tech.
Also with Europe's increasing focus on particulate emissions due to increasing smog in cities (reports now saying worse than China's major cities) the diesel engine I think will die a slow death on the consumer market.
While I would love for Toyota to but a torquey diesel in its trucks, I'm not going to hold my breath. They're running full speed ahead with hybrid tech.
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