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Lexus's chief engineer talks about the GS F and what it takes for a performance car to carry the vaunted F badge.

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situman

Its unfortunate but you cant design or review a car in a vacuum. It should and will always be compared to its competitors.

Vladi

When you currently have no means or options to go head to head with your competitors surely you can do it in a vacuum like you said and then have a sales pitch like that video above.

On the contrary GS-F should behave like RC-F but since its a full featured four door its actually a benefit over its coupe counterpart. It should be competitive against likes of CLS550 or S6 or CTS V-Sport.

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

Don't forget the 550i M-Sport

DrRick

It will only compete with those cars if it's priced competitively with them.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

e550 i can see, i don't see how the cls550 is in the picture when that's a coupe design

Toys4RJill

I have no faith in the Lexus GS F. I feel their F cars are a half attempt at making something that is truly compelling compared to what is offered at MB, BMW, of Audi.

The idea that Lexus is using the same 5.0 that they used since 2008 is not acceptable.

Why can't we have a bi-turbo V6/V8 like the competition has.

UDel

I don't think the GS-F will be much of a threat to a M5, AMG, or RS power or performance wise but I think if they price it right there could be a decent market for a mid level high performance sedan between a V8 5 series/E class and the M5, AMG models. If it is priced around 75-79K that is a hell of a lot of car for the money, I agree if they are not going to push the hp envelope and compete full on with AMG/M cars then it is suicidal to price it anywhere near those cars but if they push how much car you get for the money they could have something.

Lexus is just not in the brand position to be selling a $100K full on AMG/M class competitor anyway so even if it had the huge power/performance of the Germans it is likely going to fail if it is priced at or really close to those cars.

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

We'll have to revisit this when the 5LS and LC debut. Hopefully taking Luxury, Power and Prestige to new heights for Lexus.

UDel

LS is a full position above the GS, I was talking about being in the brand position to sell a $100K mid level/executive performance sedan. I hope the new LS is not going to be priced around 100K though, I don't think that is a going to work either.

Stormwind

wow the way they make excuses for their failure is almost sadder than acura.

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

Oh gotcha. I don't see the brand image/position improving until the LS and LC debut though which would start to give credibility for six figure Lexus vehicles. Meaning we'd have to wait and see the 5GS for any real threat to the higher end competition competing in the mid level/executive segment.

GS F is still bound to be a hoot to drive though.

pman6

Can't wait to hear Jeremy clarkson's review of the GSF on netflix

Toys4RJill

What do you mean you mean by that? I am not impressed at all with Lexus F. F sport I like a lot.

Vladi

There is no E550 anymore, at least not in current generation anyway.